Talk:Wiki/Archive 11

Uploading CC-BY files should require stating authorship

As reported by @AngocA: upload file is not asking for file authorship even if selected license (CC-BY-*) makes mandatory to state authorship. This should be fixed to stop new files from appearing in invalid copyright state Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:14, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Though from what I see there seems to template present that has space for that info Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:23, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

On side of the license templates we could add a notice for uploader to add attribution, see test on User:Chris2map/Sandbox&oldid=2336777. Notice only shows up for logged-in users (as uploaders are). --Chris2map (talk) 16:48, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Is there any possibility in the code of the Special:Upload page to insert the CC licenses in the Information template? Then we could fill the attribution automatically with the content provided with "Author" in the Information. I made a test version to the template Information on Template:Sandbox (Template:Sandbox&oldid=2339353) that could be do like this example (User:Chris2map/Sandbox&oldid=2339354). --Chris2map (talk) 18:40, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this does not work with the upload page. --Tigerfell

(Let's talk) 13:08, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

How about an abuse filter that would catch files with missing or incomplete licenses? --Tigerfell

(Let's talk) 13:08, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

@Tigerfell: that would be great! Sadly I have no idea at all how abuse filters work (and for now scripts I wrote allow me to process more images that I have time for, especially given that some of notified people have questions that need to be answered...) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:38, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Following extensive research and testing I now created filter 16. As I am not sure if it works as intended, it just tags uploads for now. Those edits should appear in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfilter=license-missing%3F. --Tigerfell

(Let's talk) 10:06, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

There is one file on the recent list (File:2022-12-17-mapping party Reezekne RTA.png). I added license - How do we get it cleared from the list? - (Once when the filter doesn't list the files but instead sends messages to the uploaders, the problem no longer occurs.) --Chris2map (talk) 11:05, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

You can remove the tag via the page history and the button Edit tags of selected revisions on the right. Abuse filters can show warnings or hinder users to do a certain action. I just want to start with marking such uploads so I can see if the filter is working as intended. The documentation is somewhat confusing to me. Later, I want to show a warning at least. I am considering a warning message and hindering users to upload files without licenses. That depends on how well the filter works and if you think that is more helpful than harmful. --Tigerfell

(Let's talk) 14:51, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Lua error in Module:Languages on talk: pages

I'm getting a Lua error message in the languages bar on pages in namespace "talk:"

Lua error in Module:Languages at line 62: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value).
Backtrace:
1.  (tail call): ?
2.  Module:Languages:62: in function "translationPageName"
3.  Module:Languages:117: in function "languageList"
4.  Module:Languages:167: in function "chunk"
5.  mw.lua:525: ?
6.  (tail call): ?
7.  [C]: in function "xpcall"
8.  MWServer.lua:99: in function "handleCall"
9.  MWServer.lua:313: in function "dispatch"
10. MWServer.lua:52: in function "execute"
11. mw_main.lua:7: in main chunk
12. [C]: ?

E.g. on this page or on Talk:Map features. --Chris2map (talk) 19:38, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

@Chris2map: This wiki-wide error was caused by a series of edits to Module:Languages/config, which I've reverted for now.

Bgo eiu, I avoided fully protecting the page so that you can continue to make routine edits, but please don't ignore the constraints documented in the comments in that module; they're there for a reason. If you need to make non-routine changes to the module, such as making exceptions to those rules, please stage your changes in Module:Languages/config/sandbox, Module:Languages/sandbox, or Template:Languages/sandbox, or at least use the interactive console below the edit form to test your changes before saving. Thanks for understanding; I realize it isn't always obvious that a benign-looking list can have a far-reaching impact.

– Minh Nguyễn ^💬 05:21, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I saw the comment at the top about making updates to the names and didn't realize there was a way to cause this type of error from the module. (And was sort of confused on what the difference between "pseudo-namespace" and "namespace" implied - I was trying to make a change in the category name with out impacting the latter by referencing the "pseudo-namespace.") --Bgo eiu (talk) 15:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Hopefully this won't break anything, but I will make a note here as well since in adding just the language codes to the list, I also updated the order. For any language using an Arabic/Persian based or Brahmic/Indic based writing system I went by ISO 15919 sort order rather than breaking up by script, because this allows the autonyms which start with the same sound to be together even if they use different scripts. So for example, Punjabi and Pashto; Marathi, Malayalam, and Burmese (Mranmabhasa) are next to each other instead of having say Pashto and Persian (Farsi) next to each other where they don't start with the same sound. That should make it easier to find a given language as the language box gets bigger. --Bgo eiu (talk) 18:03, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Next time someone adds a language code to the template, if typing p.languageCodesSortedByName() in the debugging console as the documentation says, the languages will revert to the previous order. Andrew (talk) 18:20, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bgo eiu: Your edits have merit, but as Wynndale points out, there should be a more durable way of implementing them. Could languageCodesSortedByName() be more nuanced than diacritic-folding the romanizations and sorting them alphabetically (the same approach that's built into MediaWiki)? Then again, maybe it won't matter for long, since the Translate extension would display these links automatically based on its own sort order. If these languages are currently hard to find in {{Languages}}, I suspect that creating stubs in them will do more for discoverability than polishing the sort order. After all, a language link is a lot easier to find among the list of existing translations than among the much longer list of redlinks that's hidden by default. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 05:46, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hmm, I assumed the order prior to my edit had been ad hoc because I was having trouble seeing what the order was based on (and therefore where to put the codes). In theory, if the function works by diacritic folding the Romanizations, that would look better than my edit or what it looked like before I edited --Bgo eiu (talk) 23:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Alright, when I just tried p.languageCodeSortedByName() the output made more sense than what it looked like before my edit, but is not ordered by Romanization or language code or English label towards the tail (the Arabic scripts were in an order that makes sense, but why is Burmese after Thai? That it could put Pashto in the sort order even though it starts with a letter which doesn't exist in Arabic). In any case, it doesn't matter that much since p.languageCodeSortedByName() results in something not that different. It seems like it just doesn't Romanize Brahmic scripts.

I am not sure why Saraiki was removed either. Saraiki represents a dialect continuum between Punjabi and Sindhi, so if those languages have codes in the wiki it doesn't make any sense to omit it as you can derive translations more easily once a translation in one of these languages is available. Transcribing a Punjabi page to Saraiki is doable as it is a matter of replacing certain phonemes and word forms (there are even some words which are more commonly written in Gurmukhi and Saraiki Shahmukhi than in Punjabi Shahmukhi, so using that using it in conjunction might be helpful isn't out of the question). Further, Saraiki Wikipedia has articles that I might be more inclined to reference where they are of better quality than the Punjabi Wikipedia ones, and there is no line where Punjabi ends and Saraiki starts so it would seem more inclusive to let people pick between pa, pnb, or skr, rather than make it seem like certain dialects are preferred. So that's the logic there.

I did see the comment that said that a language has to have pages before adding it to the list, but the instructions also suggest that I would not be able to create a Saraiki page without an English page first and that to create a new page you should add it to the template, so I assumed the comment was just out of date/meant to be ignored. Whenever I get to a point where I feel comfortable writing Urdu that isn't Punjabi-pretending-to-be-Urdu, I would add Urdu and Hindi together for the same reason as adding Punjabi and Saraiki together; if the languages are similar to a degree of mutual intelligibility it's better they not stay separate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgo eiu (talk • contribs) 23:42, 20 August 2022‎ (UTC)

@Bgo eiu: I may have oversold languageCodeSortedByName(): it doesn't have any way of getting romanizations, so all it does is get the native name of each language, normalize any Latin names among them (folding case and diacritics), and sort by Unicode codepoint. This has the effect of grouping most languages by writing system, which has been the template's behavior for a long time. I don't have anything against properly sorting by romanization, but we'd need to maintain a table of romanizations. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 07:09, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

(I wrote a little too much, but in short, if a Punjabi wiki page happens to be perfectly legible to a Saraiki reader, the question of "is this a Punjabi page or a Saraiki page?" is like asking "is tomato a fruit or a vegetable?" OSM Wiki doesn't need to be concerned with this question, and I am leaning towards wanting to avoid saying or implying "Punjabi is the same as Saraiki" where possible.) --Bgo eiu (talk) 23:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Added Skr:Key:name:skr as a place holder from my phone if it would help; though it might be a bit before I flesh it out as I want to figure out how to render the wiki editor in a Punjabi/Saraiki friendly fixed width font first (this exists thankfully, and is necessary given I discovered editing Punjabi regexes on GitHub is complicated by some characters looking identical in some fonts). And how to get Latin script templates to be in the correct part of the sentence --Bgo eiu (talk) 00:18, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry to triple bump the thread, but in trying out using the Languages template, I've realized that clicking on Arabic script links doesn't even work without expanding the whole list anyway, so creating a stub doesn't really help to that end. I should look into how the Translation extension works. (And spend more time browsing Persian Wikipedia, as they've worked out how to deal with these kinds of quirks better than most.) --Bgo eiu (talk) 00:48, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bgo eiu: The backstory is that the previous iteration of {{Languages}} listed many, many more languages indiscriminately, detracting from the template's primary purpose as a navigational aid among existing pages. A former contributor to this wiki insisted that {{Languages}} include any language with at least one page, and simultaneously added empty categories and subcategories in hundreds of languages, including many that had scant chance of ever having content on this wiki. Something about this template appearing on every page on the wiki must've given them some kind of rush, but paring back the list actually had a perceptible impact on page load names. I believe you're being more considerate, but the bar for adding a language remains more than reasonable: just one content page, however trivial. Notably, this standard has nothing to do with curating a coherent list of related languages.

At the time I redesigned {{Languages}}, I was unsure if the community here would even accept my shortcut of making the template's header and footer match the interface language instead of the page language. But since that seems to have stuck, I think we should consider dropping the list of redlinks altogether in favor of a single link for the interface language if the page isn't available in that language yet. If the user isn't using the wiki in their native language, they can use the Universal Language Selector (next to the user name at the top of the page) to search for their language within a much more comprehensive list. Getting rid of the list of redlinks would eliminate the annoying jank or jump that occurs on page load, especially on mobile devices.

– Minh Nguyễn ^💬 06:44, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I relatively often use this template to create pages in Polish despite using English interface. Would be still possible to have listing of all not yet existing pages available somehow, even if hidden by default? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:30, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mateusz Konieczny: Yes, we could add something for that, but it could be generated dynamically instead of baked into every page's source code. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 00:35, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Conclusion(?) or addendum - given that clicking on Punjabi and Saraiki doesn't work at all from the language table anyway, I've restored the config to be as it was before I edited, just with pnb and skr added to "minor languages." Setting it up like this: Skr:Key:name:skr the links actually work and I don't have to argue to add Hindi or Urdu to in it since it should be as easy as possible to add translations in these languages from Punjabi/Saraiki. Hopefully adding categories manually doesn't also break anything... --Bgo eiu (talk) 08:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Proposal for new parameters on OpenStreetMap Wiki Infoboxes (such as general propose URL pattern)

I would like to propose having documented new parameters on Template Template:KeyDescription with for what on Wikidata would be a P1630 and another, more specialized, for P1921.

Interfaces such as the main website preview already show links to documentation of the Wiki itself and have hardcored external links such as for key wikidata=* and wikipedia=*. However, with this addition to the Infoboxes and documentation on how could be used, this might later make such external links generic: the value of the tag be replaced with the `$1`.

By far (if not actually the unique exclusive use case) would be linked to external identifiers (such as the ones documented on Key:ref). Maybe a set of additional parameters would be also interesting (such as example value or even regex of expected allowed values) so data mining of the infoboxes could be used such as for example validation rules and quick documentation generation without reading the body of the page.

Opinions? EmericusPetro (talk) 02:29, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Do you mean P8 formatter URL? The description box parameter is called "url_pattern". --Chris2map (talk) 05:46, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, also this one! Thanks! I will use it! I'm doing some read-only tests on the Wiki, but still not finished. Maybe each individual suggestion would need discussion, so maybe this generic topic could be closed. EmericusPetro (talk) 06:43, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

One question (maybe the last one before mark as resolved): would it be acceptable, for a small number of Infoboxes which are not widely used (at least not outside an country) to temporarily have undocumented infoboxes additional parameters (e.g. not changing semantic of current ones)? One potential example would be the external identifier Key:IBGE:GEOCODIGO. Not really a problem if eventually others remove it by mistake, but I would like to ask first EmericusPetro (talk) 06:43, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

What additional data to display do you have in mind? Could you design an example? How about a separate info box? --Chris2map (talk) 08:19, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@EmericusPetro: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:25, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

@Mateusz Konieczny: @Chris2map: Actually, I saw Chris2map reply, but was unsure if a second infobox could be a better idea. But maybe it is! That's why I stopped for a moment to eventually have a full example (which don't need to change current infoboxes). Anyway, I'm taking some time to document a generic data extraction from wikitext to consume the data as a command line application (optionally, proxy server). In addition to the Data Items (the old ot which stopped to work) vs Taginfo parsing (described here Taginfo/Parsing_the_Wiki, at least Nominatim also parses wikitext from here Nominatim/Special_Phrases, so my idea would be generalize such cases on a intermediary exportable format. The code was already drafted early this year, but needs to be documented, so I could ping other wiki editors to have feedback. But for the Chris2map question. Yes, for now I'm not adding any undocumented parameter to infobox used in production. I could use other dummy templates as test case on my user sandbox page. EmericusPetro (talk) 17:06, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! From your new post about the snake tool I now see that you are working on something big. I don't understand a lot of it due to lack of expertise, but it sounds like a great thing that could lead to the next evolutionary step for the wiki usage. --Chris2map (talk) 15:44, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

403 for a file

The image File:Urbahnverleih.github.io-Screenshot 2021.png cannot be displayed. I got "403 Forbidden" error. What could be the cause? In the log we can see that the file was uploaded and then moved. maro21 16:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Data corruption? Too weird file name? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:14, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

~~I think that File: page was created as wiki page and not really by upload of a file.~~ --Chris2map (talk) 16:48, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

-- I was confused by the 2 versions / pages of the file and viewed the one with empty log. --Chris2map (talk) 13:37, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Makes sense Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:59, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

marked for deletionMateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:59, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

The file was uploaded, which can be seen in the log to which I provided a link. maro21 20:58, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I guess that anyone interested should file issue at https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues why file got lost, can it be recovered and whether it can happen with other files. And again, uploading files to Wikimedia Commons is almost certainly preferable 21:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Is anyone interested in doing this? If not, we should simply delete this page as lost file Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:16, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Per language feeds of wiki edits?

Hi, I am very new to OSM community and looked for RSS feeds of the activities written in my language on this wiki. It seems some languages have their namespace (ex ES) but my language(KO) is treated as a plain suffix of the title of the page. So technically it is possible to subscribe to the Spanish feed from https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/api.php?action=feedrecentchanges&namespace=204, but not for Korean. I see adding a new namespace is not the good solution based on some articles. But because the API supports tag filtering, I would subscribe a tag if there is a certain tag. It will be good if someone creates new AbuseFilters and manage them to automatically add the tags to edits when the articles start with '<LANGUAGE_CODE>:'. --Megumi2103 (talk) 10:08, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

@Megumi2103: A few languages have their own namespaces for historical reasons, but language namespaces aren't being created anymore; instead, pages are being created in the main namespace with prefixes that look like namespaces. It is possible to create tags and assign them using abuse filters, similar to the one we created one to track edits to data item descriptions, but it gets throttled too easily to be useful. We'd also have to create one per language, which could be a performance issue. For now, one alternative is to search for pages containing the language code and sort by freshness, like this search for Korean. However, I don't think MediaWiki offers an RSS feed of Special:Search. Translatewiki.net uses the CleanChanges extension to provide an option to filter Special:RecentChanges by language code; the operations team is responsible for deciding which extensions to install. [1] – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 00:57, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Follow up Github issue: https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/797

It was closed with "The OWG requires extension requests come from wiki sysadmins. A wiki admin can open a new request for this extension if the wiki admins believe it should be added to the OSM wikis." Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:28, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Do we mark this as resolved or continue doing more for this? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:18, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Resolved: Making as not actionable - please comemnt if you have an idea for specific actions we can do Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:Pages unavailable in highway

Any idea what causes https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_unavailable_in_highway&action=edit&redlink=1 to be filled and how to stop this?

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

{{Langcode}} needs |Highway=en added. Andrew (talk) 12:03, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Why adding such hack would be a good idea? Maybe better to stop this template from being triggered in the first place in Proposal namespace? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 05:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mateusz Konieczny: These pages date to the days when some users thought all wiki pages are supposed to be namespaced using colons, just like tags in the database. This is how we got pages like Canada:British Columbia:Cowichan Valley Regional District and Canada:Ontario:Burlington/Public Transport/Analysis/Burlington Transit-Routes. But MediaWiki uses a slash for delimiting the parts of a subpage's name, so I've been renaming these pages as I come across them. Plus, categories mean that we usually don't even need to use subpages like in a file system. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 22:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I am thinking about moving Highway:International equivalence to Highway - International equivalence or Highway/International equivalence. Is anyone opposed to such change? Or see a better name? Redirect would remain. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mateusz Konieczny: I'd suggest either "Highways/International equivalence" (as a subpage of "Highways") or "International highway classification equivalence" (which reads more naturally). While we're at it, {{Map Features:highway}} is another example of that mistaken colon namespacing, though it isn't breaking anything at the moment. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 01:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

In this case I'd prefer "International highway classification equivalence", but subpage style is OK, too. --Chris2map (talk) 08:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Moved to International highway classification equivalence (redirect remains so things should not break) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I am against it. No spaces are used between hyphens. And "International equivalence" is not a subpage of "Highway" (because there is no such page). maro21 20:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

On this Wiki, we have such a system that what comes before the colon is a language code that creates an additional namespace. So in the names of these templates there should be no colon. maro21 20:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Maro21: do you want mark this page as not resolved or would it be fine to archive it as resolved? (it seems that you are not protesting the move but I want to confirm) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

The category "Pages unavailable in highway" is empty now so I think the issue is resolved. I also fixed the last page there so it's empty now. Sorry for my late response before. maro21 20:11, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Willkürliche Kartenzerstörung?

Hallo, ich bin begeisterter OSM-Nutzer und habe gerade ein Nutzerkonto eingerichtet, weil ich gestern und heute entdeckt habe, dass in verschiedenen Regionen Deutschlands Kacheln bewusst "zerstört" wurden. In einer bestimmten Vergößerungsstufe sind diese Kacheln kreuz und quer überzogen mit geraden weißen Linien, die vermutlich Straßen darstellen. Ich weiß nicht, wie das zustande kommt und was man dagegen tun kann. Es wird nur unter openstreetmap.de so dargestellt, bei openstreetmap.org nicht. Ein Beispiel findet man bei Eingabe der Adresse: "Hans-Thomann-Straße 1 96138 Burgebrach-Treppendorf" unter https://openstreetmap.de/karte/# und anschließendem Herauszoomen um einige Stufen. Ich würde einen Screenshot anhängen, aber mir wird angezeigt, dass ich keine Berechtigung habe, um eine Datei hochzuladen. Ein weiteres Beispiel (in einem ganz anderen Teil Deutschlands) fand ich gestern bei Eingabe der Adresse: "67822 waldgrehweiler, grashof" auf meinem Smartphone. Dort wurden in einer Zoomstufe in verschiedenen Sprachen beschriftete geradlinige Straßen angezeigt, die über der echten Karte lagen. Hat jemand einer Idee, was die Ursache sein kann? Beste Grüße Berthold —Preceding unsigned comment added by BS1 (talk • contribs) 2024-06-14

Das gab es schonmal, weltweit. Ursache war wohl einer der irgendwo zwischen Datenbank und Webdarstellung seine miese Laune ausgetragen hat. Die Experten werden es schon richten. --MattGPS (talk) 23:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Die weiße, vertikale Linie ist meines Erachtens ein Anzeigefehler, also Software-Fehler der Web-Anwendung. File:Openstreetmap.de screenshot 2024-06-14 145307.png Bei meinen Tests tauchte diese mal auf, mal nicht. Ich weiß nicht, wer da der erste Ansprechpartner wäre. Eventuell https://github.com/giggls/openstreetmap-carto-de/issues Grüße --Chris2map (talk) 13:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Nein, diese dünne Linie ist harmlos. Derzeit gibt es wieder ganz wilde Straßen kreuz und quer durchs Land, auf manchen Kacheln. --MattGPS (talk) 23:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Abbreviations and misspellings in search

The page Abbreviations says that editors should enter the full name of any object. Indeed, for a newly built street the full name "Kerstingatan" (in Linköping, Sweden) has been entered, and searching for that name works fine. And searching for the abbreviation "Kersting." also finds it. Is this some magic in the search engine? However, searching for another common abbreviation "Kerstingat." gives no hit. So is there a list of abbreviations (g. = gatan) where we could add gat. = gatan? Further, adding an "s" in the middle would be a common misspelling (Kerstinsgatan) and could we make the search engine find the right street anyway? --LA2 (talk) 12:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@LA2: Search engine used at osm.org is Nominatim and yes, it has some limited "magic". Its issue tracker may already have relevant issue there or maybe it would be worth reporting Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Does openstreetmap.org produce statistics on searches that people make? Can we find out how many search Stokholm vs Stockholm, Linköpingvägen vs Linköpingsvägen, Elmhult vs Älmhult vs Almhult? --LA2 (talk) 19:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. maro21 20:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Your question is beyond the scope of this Wiki. The proper place for this question would be: https://github.com/osm-search/Nominatim/issues maro21 20:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Resolved: Seems resolved as far as OSM Wiki is concerned Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

How one may create account while hit by "listed as an open proxy in the DNSBL"?

"Your IP address is listed as an open proxy in the DNSBL used by OpenStreetMap Wiki. You cannot create an account." - https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/is-a-separate-account-needed-to-edit-the-wiki/1549/3

What one may say to people affected by this? Can we waive such blocks? See https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/is-a-separate-account-needed-to-edit-the-wiki/1549/3

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 22:31, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Now that we have switched to hCaptcha it will be interesting to see how it affects spam user sign-ups. If it works well I would be willing to disable the DNSBL for a trial period. -- Firefishy (talk) 12:29, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@Firefishy: "got blocked trying to reset my password on the wiki. whats this about? "Your IP address is listed as an open proxy in the DNSBL used by OpenStreetMap Wiki."" reported on https://discord.com/channels/413070382636072960/704832584328151040/1005917189502664786 Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:33, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

next victim at https://discord.com/channels/413070382636072960/704832584328151040/1014546899384148008 Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:54, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Next victim at https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/tagless-points-and-lines-in-greenbelt-md/97992/17 Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:35, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

@Firefishy: Which BLs do we use? There is a victim with an IP not visibly on any open proxy dnsbls I have found around (it's on some spam related RBLs but they are not listing open proxies and most of them use wide range prefix blocks based on various "opinion based methods"). It's not simple to expect to have an ip removed from an unknown RBL... --grin ✎ 18:35, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

should be fixed by https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/commit/05d9e04459ff503314f7aa28c6fba5d751984921 and https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/commit/2c7afd04966d1845c405f24d317a53ff53089e47 Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikibase file uses not shown on file pages (or in API)

Where a file is used by a Wikibase item, that use doesn't currently appear on the file's description page. For instance, File:Motorway-DE-A4-Aachen.JPG is used on highway=motorway (Q4980), but that item doesn't appear on the file description page under "File usage". This doesn't seem to be problem intrinsic to Wikibase, since it doesn't affect Wikidata. See, for instance d:File:30 Storeys Way, Cambridge (geograph 5521921).jpg, which correctly shows its use by d:Q26627430. Fixing this would help with my plan (above) to track this wiki's use of Commons files, because uses by Wikibase items also seem to be invisible to the MediaWiki API at the moment. --Ben Harris (talk) 10:24, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Worked around by having a bot generating galleries Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:27, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Mateusz meant Wiki:Files used by data items.

Is there anything we should do here? Is linking to data items on file pages technically possible? maro21 20:47, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Resolved: Current workaround seems acceptable, noone has actionable ideas to do it differently Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:54, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

How can I list tags with data items but have no OSM Wiki page?

Special:PrefixIndex/Item: is not helpful as it lists them as alphanumeric soup, not as tags.

Category:Redirects connected to a data item is not helpful as it lists only cases where redirect exists

I am also fine with API call (I guess that Special:PrefixIndex has matching one?), if there is nothing human readable

For bonus points, listing only data items with actual content (and skip blank entries like https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q8018 ) would be great

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Using Sophox or Talk:Wiki#Install_the_WikibaseCirrusSearch_extension. maro21 20:50, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

And Special:ItemsWithoutSitelinks ? --Chris2map (talk) 20:30, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Almost no tags there. Mostly groups. maro21 20:48, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I had already once maintained some. Well, we are missing a list of data items that have a sitelink but the page does not exist. --Chris2map (talk) 08:05, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

What is a sitelink? maro21 15:13, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

A sitelink is the connection between a data item and a wiki page. It must be set manually (Special:SetSiteLink) when creating a new data item to establish this connection (since Special:ItemByTitle doesn't work). E.g. Special:SetSiteLink/Q6787/wiki. See "Set item sitelink" at bottom of main menu to the left on item pages. --Chris2map (talk) 16:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I see. So in cases like this one Item:Q997 the bot set sitelink to Key:REF when creating the data item, although the page Key:REF doesn't exist. So we won't find such items without a Wiki page because they aren't listed at Special:ItemsWithoutSitelinks. maro21 18:04, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Exactly! I think a LUA app or module could do the job and a Sophox/SPARQL query might be possible, too. But I don't know how to code them. --Chris2map (talk) 08:27, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Resolved: Current workaround with Wiki:Files used by data items seems acceptable, noone has actionable ideas to do it differently Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:54, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Deprecated vs. obsolete tags

Key:gay has been recently made obsolete by a community vote and instances replaced with key:lgbtq. So this is no more, and it has been placed in Category:Key descriptions with status "obsolete". So far, so good. However, when you open the page, you have to read it very carefully to understand this.

In theory, obsolete map features are those which have been deleted and may not be used anymore, while deprecated features have a weaker prohibition, as spelled out in Template:Deprecated. However, Template:Deprecated glaringly shows a warning on the top of the page, but it is absent from Key:gay, which on first glance looks like a regular Wiki page for a common tag.

I wish we would treat deprecated and obsolete tag wiki pages with more consistency, featuring one or more:

A glaring template such as Template:Deprecated on both; an argument such as {{Deprecated|obsolete=yes}} could be added to expand the usage to obsolete features as well. Or create a new Template:Obsolete?
Make the prohibition of usage at Template:Deprecated stronger. Currently it reads "You are still free to continue to use or interpret this tag as you see fit since OpenStreetMap does not have “banned features”. Under no circumstances should you (semi-)automatically change “deprecated” tags to something else ", which is very permissive, and basically reads "but you may defy community decision as you see fit if you feel strongly about it". At least for positively obsolete features, this should be omitted (and I wish we had a stronger language for deprecated ones as well).

Thoughts? Duja (talk) 10:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm with you that there is hardly a comprehensible and documented dealing in the wiki with both of these status. @ 1) I'd like to omit the Template:Deprecated (see Template_talk:Deprecated#Integration_in_main_Template:Description) and therefore I wouldn't create any additional exclusive template like Template:Obsolete. If we could handle the deprecated status within Template:Description, we could do it the same way with status obsolete. – Additional idea: How about adding Template:Historic artifact start or something similar to tag pages with status obsolete? --Chris2map (talk) 15:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Yep, Template:Historic artifact start is a good idea. Duja (talk) 17:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Not every obsolete tag is deprecated. There are obsolete tags that went out of use long ago, but no one disapproved them or replaced them with anything. Obsolete status means "not in use anymore". It doesn't say if it can or shouldn't be used.

"Make the prohibition of usage at Template:Deprecated stronger" -> No, because it contradicts the sentence "OpenStreetMap does not have “banned features". maro21 19:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

While we technically do not have "banned features", there's a reason we deprecated those tags. Usually, because they're synonymous with a better defined or more widespread tag. But the current wording of the template almost encourages its further use.
I'm inclined to shorten that text and dryly point the reader to the deprecated tags page, which explains the situation in more detail. Duja (talk) 17:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

I think that deprecated tag should be marked as deprecated even it's usage equal to zero. As obsoleted may be marked cleaned tags from past imports, for example, because they may be (as minimum, in theory) used again, but not used currently. Something B (talk) 23:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

It seems that Key:gay is both deprecated (voted as redundant by community in favor of another tag) and obsolete (not used anymore). So it possibly needs to be placed in both categories. Duja (talk) 17:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

"Make the prohibition of usage at Template:Deprecated stronger" - that would not be a good idea, as in fact you are allowed to use them, see ATYL. If you want to place eye-biting banner it can be also placed manually, see Template:Ambox (|type= danger subvariant) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Seeems

Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 02:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Item:Q5 (area)

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Item:Q5 has been adorned with unsightly "THIS ITEM IS OBSOLETE AND WILL BE DELETED SOON" since 2018 by User:M!dgard, and then this has been translated to other languages. While this data item is probably not much referenced, I don't see it as "obsolete", so I'd like to edit the text (and shorten the overlong description). Prominently, it appears in search results as the short description.
I'm not very familiar with data-item metalanguage, but shouldn't Q5 be somehow referenced from Property:P35 (applies to areas) or vice versa? Duja (talk) 10:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

It's obsolete because it's not used and now we use Property:P35. Data items don't exist in isolation and are used for something. maro21 21:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Alright, it's not cross-referenced from other data items and properties -- but it still provides information backing the area Wiki page, such as short description, in multiple languages. The same issue exists with Item:Q3 (node) and Item:Q4 (way). If nobody is going to delete those anytime soon (and it's been 6 years since they were "tagged"), I'd like to restore them to a sane state. WRITING WARNINGS IN ALL CAPS is hardly a proper way to handle process issues. Duja (talk) 07:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree that this text written in capital letters can be removed. Or you can ask the author of the change what he meant by it: link. maro21 22:11, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

I also agree. Those data items don't have an important use at the moment for me. But they aren't wrong and there is no need to remove them IMHO. --Chris2map (talk) 19:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

I edited Item:Q3, Item:Q4 and Item:Q5, removed ALL CAPS and shortened descriptions in all entered languages, to the best of my ability (I know the basics of European languages enough to remove the text, but hardly to expand). Please review. Marking this as resolved. Duja (talk) 12:02, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Request for comments: removing content from pages

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:company&action=history Could I have your comments please? maro21 15:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

At first, no matter how good or inappropriate the content of the page may be, there should be a page with at least the description box for that key company=*, IMHO. So I don't support the redirect. --Chris2map (talk) 17:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Resolved: The page has been edited, so the problem is solved. maro21 18:12, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Changing page language?

From this morning's watchlist of mine:

21:30, 4 December 2024	(Language change log) أحمد الرخيص changed the language of About from English (en) [default] to Arabic (ar)

Indeed, About now displays RTL order in both display and edit modes, and I can't find a way to revert it. How is changing page language even possible - I can't find it anywhere in desktop UI? This looks like vandalism to me, rather than a newbie's misguided attempt; they also messed with the page Go Map!!. It seems to be enabled for non-admins only in mobile version, which opens a backdoor for abuse. Duja (talk) 08:58, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

I changed it back to English. It is vandalism. The page language setting is free to every user, also in desktop view. See the "Page information" via the menu on the left. --Chris2map (talk) 16:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. The left sidebar is the last place I'd look for an option to actually change a page attribute. On English Wikipedia, such a page is available but read-only [2]; but then, it's English-only, and our wiki is multi-language, and our users have been using this feature constructively. Oh well, problem solved for now. Duja (talk) 13:16, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Resolved

Need a quick help

Resolved

Dear All, I'm trying to translate in Bulgarian language some tags in English such as: waste (general waste), ash, waste basket and so on. I'm afraid I'm not doing it right and need a quick hint how to make it. Please, have a look at my edits and fix the mess, if I involuntary did any. Many thanks, IvanovX128 (talk) 20:51, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

The parameters "key=" and "value=" on Key: and Tag: pages have always to be entered in English. Otherwise the templates behind the description box do not work as intended.

With data items most languages other than English don't set a "label" for keys and tags but leave it empty. Main reason is to keep it easy to recognize the original tag. But technical it is possible to enter a translation for the label. It's up to the Bulgarian comunity. However the labels of group data items are translated.

You may want to translate the group data item for "waste processing": waste processing (Q22141). --Chris2map (talk) 23:51, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you IvanovX128 (talk) 15:37, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Please don't add labels for tags and keys in data items. Tags and keys are proper names, they are like variables, and they are untranslatable. maro21 18:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

online software and web software

Resolved

Is there a difference between online software and web software?
We have two categories: Category:Online software and Category:Web software. Can we combine these categories into one? maro21 21:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't really know. But I could imagine the following distinction: Online software is software that needs an active internet connection to run. Web software is software that runs or is used on a web page. --Chris2map (talk) 16:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

While that distinction could be made, I don't see it by perusing our categories. All listed entries seem to be web software (in the sense you specified). I support merging the categories: Category:Web software is much more populated, but it's inconsistent with Category:Online Services. I'm also not sure if a consistent distinction can be made between "services" and "software", so the latter is also a possible candidate for merging. Duja (talk) 11:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@Duja: Regarding the current assignments in the wiki I'm completely with you. Many of the pages in Category:Web software are maps. In my opinion, maps are better categorized as "services" or perhaps "applications" rather than "software". This brings me to another fourth Category:Web services. But to work with the existing ones we could also use Category:Web software. --Chris2map (talk) 20:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I was also thinking of merging Online softwarte into Web software - the latter is added by the {Software} template and is more populated. For example JOSM is of course an online software and for sure it's not a web software. But one can work in JOSM offline too, so it's offline software too;). I'll merge the categories next week.

I don't know what to do with Online Services, if we should keep it or merge it too. maro21 00:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Category:Online Services currently states that "Online services are those which provide a data or control interface for other applications or systems. Often, applications which present an online service also present a user interface, meaning that there will be some overlap between members of this category and those in Category:Online software. However, the meanings of these two categories are quite distinct. "
While I may accept that "distinct", I cannot agree with that "quite" -- the line is blurry.
Anyway, as I see it, the best course of action would be to:

Merge Category:Online software into Category:Web software
Make Category:Online Services a subcategory of Category:Web software (instead of current Category:Software)
In the process, rename Category:Online Services into Category:Online services (since it hurts my inner OCD)

Duja (talk) 09:06, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I support the proposal, thanks! maro21 23:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the swift action. I renamed Category:Online Services into Category:Online services (including subcategory Category:Online services/translations) and recategorized all its contents. However, I cannot make {{Languages}} bar working properly, since it links back to old Category:Online Services - I'm not sure where it draws the data from? Duja (talk) 13:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I marked it resolved because Category:Online Services wasn't the subject matter of this thread. But thanks for renaming! There is still an old name in {{Languages|Category:Online Services}} because there are still links or redirects to other language versions e.g. "Category:DE:Online Services" or "Category:ES:Online Services" -> Category:ES:Servicios en línea. However if you switch to {{Languages|Category:Online services}} you won't see any links. You can make new redirects to other language versions without moving those categories. maro21 18:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Ah I see, it's pretty dumb -- it just links the same-named categories or articles with different language prefixes it finds, so it needs redirects in place. I expected it would pull a list from somewhere (e.g. a data item, but it does not exist for categories). Oh well, marking as resolved. Duja (talk) 19:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

License for Osmarender icons

Resolved

Please suggest right license for Osmarender icons, such as

File:Hotel_osmarender.svg

Something B (talk) 10:54, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

{{PD-shape}}. I added it. maro21 13:32, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Licensing for Potlatch screenshots

Resolved

Please suggest template for Potlatch screenshots, such as:

File:Commentaire changeset Potlach french.png

Something B (talk) 10:46, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

License of the screenshot is the same as the software. maro21 21:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Created Template:Potlatch screenshot. --Chris2map (talk) 18:00, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Wiki page for a newspaper, out of scope?

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There has just been created a (place like) Wiki page for a daily newspaper: Dainik Target. – I think that this is out of the scope of this Wiki. What do you think and how should we deal with this and things like that? – BTW, do we have a documentation of the scope of OSM Wiki? I don't know of any. That would be important to have. --Chris2map (talk) 16:35, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Of course out of scope. What is the scope? Anything related to OSM or OSM Wiki. maro21 18:04, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, it is obvious what the scope of this wiki is. But deciding on a case-by-case basis is not always that easy. Some self-portrayal or encyclopedic content is tolerated. The boundaries are particularly difficult to draw on user pages. I have often waited for someone to ask what is permitted or where it says that, for example, advertising is not permitted. That's why I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to write it down. The bureaucrats should be involved in this, as they have to make the decision in case of doubt. --Chris2map (talk) 18:48, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Page creation goes on. I wrote on User talk:Alex Helt. --Chris2map (talk) 16:59, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

It looks to me like a weird attempt of SEO, but as you already asked the user I'll give him a bit of time to answer. --Lyx (talk) 21:30, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

For what it's worth, Dainik Target on Wikipedia was deleted 4 times during 2024 as non-notable/spam/creation by blocked user, so I think we should follow suit. Duja (talk) 16:40, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Since there is no connection to OSM in this case, I also think the page should be deleted. --Chris2map (talk) 16:55, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

As the user had the brilliant idea to illustrate that page with Google maps imagery, I'm now convinced that he has no clue and does not care what OSM actually is, it's just about the spam. The user has been blocked permanently and the page deleted. --Lyx (talk) 13:00, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I'm convinced too! Mark resolved. Could you also delete Category:Users in Dainik Target, please? --Chris2map (talk) 13:52, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Done. --Lyx (talk) 00:58, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Navigation

Resolved: out of scope

Please can anyone help me my memory card is formatted on my Telefunken DestinAtor model TGPS-374 What do I need to download or reload on memory card to get maps back on my devices --User640807 12:05, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

This is not the right place to ask such questions. This Wiki is for OSM documentation. You can ask in the OSM Community Forum or the forum for your device. maro21 18:12, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Skin Request: Dark Mode

Resolved: Enabled 2025-04-28

I use the dark mode on my notebook, also for i.e the OSM forum. Opening the OSM Wiki flashes to a bride white screen layout/skin. There is no skin or setting for dark mode? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering Do you agree? How to add one? Who does have experience to do it? -karlos- (talk) 27 March 2025 (UTC)

You could override the style settings by add dark mode CSS definitions to your user common.css. For this you may use the ready definitions from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Volker_E._(WMF)/dark-mode. All that you have to do is add the following line at the top in your common.css: @import "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css";. --Chris2map (talk) 16:25, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, the 2nd @inout worked. Quite nerdy for my. Good to have a proved dark skin. But it should be one of the official options, shouldn’t it?! -karlos- (talk) 20:11, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@-karlos-: I've asked the operations team to look into enabling proper dark mode support. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 23:35, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

TemplateStyles Extension

Resolved: 2025-04-30, extension has been installed ( https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/509 ).

I'd appreciate the (MediaWiki) Extension: TemplateStyles being considered for installation. Lumikeiju (talk) 19 May 2024 00:56 (UTC)

Support Good idea, this would help us break up our long site stylesheets and scripts so that only the relevant parts of them will load for each page. It would also help cut down dramatically on some pages where we rely on templates to insert lots of inline styles instead of proper stylesheets. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 21:13, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Support will be useful to create theme without need for admin rights.--حبيشان (talk) 20:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Support Good idea ! — Koreller (talk) 11:38, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Support As I stated in the last discussion regarding this extension (and the one before that, on GitHub), the modern web practically demands that a person be able to manipulate the CSS declarations for the things they create online. This one is a no-brainer, even if it gets restricted to a user rights group as the Wikimedia sites do with the template-editor one they use (though I hardly think that's necessary here). RScholar (talk) 06:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

New uploads under wrong license

Resolved

File:Photo_2025-03-05_23-04-05.jpg - Mapillary user interface, definitely not under {{ODbL OpenStreetMap}}. Something B (talk) 17:12, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Fixed. Write please on a user's talk page in such cases to let them know. maro21 21:17, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Issues in Mediawiki 1.43.1

1. I can't open any file on the Wiki. There is

Service Unavailable
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
Apache/2.4.62 (Debian) Server at wiki.openstreetmap.org Port 443

2. The link in the left menu "Strona główna" in Polish directs to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pl:Main_Page?uselang=pl instead of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pl:Strona_g%C5%82%C3%B3wna like it was in the previous version.

If you've noticed anything else that doesn't work in the new version (after April 26), let us know in this thread. maro21 21:25, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

@Maro21: I'm able to open both local and remote files. Can you provide an example of a file that's giving you problems? I wonder if it was an intermittent issue. We've been experiencing a lot of load from scrapers. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 15:59, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

It works now. I hope it was an intermittent issue. maro21 20:53, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

I fixed the link in the sidebar. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 15:59, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! maro21 20:53, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: Capacity problems were likely result of attack of scrapers, see https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/1244 Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 23:40, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Issue with prefix linking

Resolved

Wiki page Tag:craft=agricultural engines incorrectly displays prefixes from data item. --Oivo357 (talk) 05:43, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

For a workaround I reset P16 (permanent key ID) on the data item Q35 for addr:*=*, as long as the description box templates and modules don't fully support the prefix keys. --Chris2map (talk) 08:52, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

One more thing. There is also inactive payment:*=* linking in info box on the same wiki page. Is it possible to fix this?

Created redirect Key:payment: for a workaround. --Chris2map (talk) 10:48, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Database query error

Resolved

I have just noticed that the page DE_talk:Tag:leisure=horse_riding is no longer accessible; I get an error message "A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software...". I last edited the page 3 weeks ago. After that it worked normally, until now. Can anyone fix this? --Hufkratzer (talk) 22:49, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

@Hufkratzer: Reported, thanks. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 01:18, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Now tracking upstream in MediaWiki as phab:T393355. I don't know of a workaround. You'll probably have to delete either the emoji or the colon. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 08:33, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

I removed all emojis. The query error disappeared. Thanks. --Hufkratzer (talk) 11:58, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

404 Not Found

Hello, in this QLever query I've seen the button of Query Virtuoso, but it doesn't work (404 Not Found). What is the problem and where can I report the bug, if it is a bug?--Una tantum (talk) 08:14, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

@Una tantum: It looks like the Virtuoso Wikidata SPARQL endpoint is gone. Maybe check with the QLever team in case they know more about this endpoint? – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 18:06, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

@Minh Nguyen: thank you for the link! --Una tantum (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

@Una tantum: is this in some way related to OpenStreetMap wiki? As far as I see it is bug in third-party toll and wiki-editing cannot fix it Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 23:39, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

@Mateusz Konieczny: I apologize for writing in the wrong place.--Una tantum (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: Nothing we can fix by actions on OSM Wiki Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:34, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Edits by User:Gastronomy

At present there are many edits, additions and changes of tagging descriptions by new User:Gastronomy. Many of them look OK but some would be better discussed before, IMHO. This applies to the changes to seamark tags, in my opinion, e.g. Tag:seamark:building:function=harbour master and Tag:seamark:small_craft_facility:category=toilets. That tagging is a special scheme. I would like to have more opinions on this. --Chris2map (talk) 14:09, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

There is also a discussion in the forum – are-toilets-and-showers-not-seamark. --Chris2map (talk) 05:29, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

@Chris2map: See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki:Requests_for_administrator_attention#User:Gastronomy - this is a banned user. To be more specific it is Rtfm (osm wiki, banned) vel ti-lo (osm) vel TourismInfo (osm wiki, banned sock) vel Tourism_info (osm) vel Gastronomy (osm wiki, now banned). So all edits were wholesale reverted without further consideration. I want to also note that even ones seemingly OK often have problems. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 02:50, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

Note: their taggfiddling on OSM map data likely also should be reverted Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 02:51, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

@Mateusz Konieczny: Thanks for taking action and the info! I'll try, depending on time and feel, to revisit some of the edits to identify and address any debatable points. --Chris2map (talk) 09:39, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: Next Rtfm account banned, edits purged from wiki Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 02:52, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

FYI, DWG issued https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/18810 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/18809 (note: I am not from DWG) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 05:22, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

osm_id=*

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/osm_id#values

This tag seems to be completely pointless, so may be discarded. Something B (talk) 10:57, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

@Something B:

To start discarding tag you should contact iD (via issue tracker, not sure whether https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema or main one) and/or JOSM developers. To make bot edit see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Creating_a_page_describing_key_or_value maybe also useful

Resolved: not a place to do act on it Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:41, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Right aligning at map features

Some tables at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_features align to right, with arabic text in footer ("این جدول به‌صورت خودکار تولید شده است. برای مستندات آن به Template:Taglist مراجعه کنید"). Is it just me?

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:30, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

Looks normal to me. Duja (talk) 16:04, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

Phew, a long page to scroll through. But all normal to me, too. --Chris2map (talk) 17:45, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: went away also for me Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:50, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Page name without underscore

This page name Tag:attraction=kiddie ride is without underscore. Should underscore be added to the page name, and if so, how to do it? --Oivo357 (talk) 04:44, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

That is OK. The Wiki makes no difference between "_" and " ". By default, a page title is always displayed with " " instead of "_". For key and tag pages the Template:Description changes this standard behaviour and displays the page title with "_". But if there is a redirect only on the page, the title is displayed with " ". We would have to add a Template:Description on the page, in this case

{{ValueDescription
|key=attraction
|value=kiddie_ride
}}

--Chris2map (talk) 09:19, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: explained Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 02:59, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

Should we delete unused files?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:20140501_165031.jpg - deletion was requested as it is unused

should it be deleted?

does it change anything if uploader requested it?

@Fanfouer:

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:24, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

I think it should depend on the content of the photo. If it is specific infrastructure (like your image), it is best to move it from the OSM wiki to Wikimedia Commons. If it is simply a specific image, for JOSM for example, but is not used anywhere else, in my opinion we should delete it. — Koreller (talk) 10:32, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

I have moved the image to Commons File:Substation_in_Annecy.jpg --Wolfy1339 (talk) 01:06, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Well, I'm not very happy of this choice, less 24h after asked it. I'm the author and uploader and I asked this file to be removed. I'm willing to move some files to commons when it's relevant but this one wasn't. Please mind it for other files awaiting to be deleted. Delete means delete. Fanfouer (talk) 05:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pr%C3%A9s_Bouveaux_2_Substation_in_Annecy.jpg Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:22, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

What is the relationship between the wiki and community-cdn.openstreetmap.org, for instance could deleting File:Railway-station-tagging.svg remove the image from a diary entry? --Wynndale (talk) 13:34, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

Basically I think if author and uploader of an image or file requests to delete it we should follow the request. If we have concerns or questions in a specific case, we could / should ask the author and discuss the reasons for the request. Normally this should not be necessary with unused files. A recurring issue is the use of files outside this Wiki. --Chris2map (talk) 14:16, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

I do not know if there is a technical relationship of image files between wiki.openstreetmap.org and community-cdn.openstreetmap.org. I don't think so. – In case of a deletion request by the author we cannot pay attention to uses outside the Wiki, IMHO. But at least we have a bot User:MissingImageInfoBot checking if an image is used on OSM map with wiki:symbol=*. --Chris2map (talk) 14:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

I deleted this file and plan to delete similar in future Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:22, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

I deleted most of those requested by author/uploader Fanfouer. --Chris2map (talk) 09:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for this. I plan to free some more files soon, there some space to save or more to commons when appropriate. Fanfouer (talk) 10:46, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Note that deleting file does not save space as they are kept on server and just marked as deleted (that is how files can be undeleted) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:45, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:53, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Deleted picture - dead links - picture redirect

I found the picture (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Cycle_trackinroad.jpg) was deleted because of "Image is on Wikimedia Commons (with licensing and higher resolution). Uses of this file here have been replaced." Now there are dead links e.g. on:

and

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Right_left

In meantime i found the picture content via webarchive: https://web.archive.org/web/20210125224220/https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/0/0d/Cycle_trackinroad.jpg and it seems the higher resolution duplicate on wikimedia commons is: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fietsstrook_Herenweg_Oudorp.jpg. Is it possible to set a redirect on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Cycle_trackinroad.jpg to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fietsstrook_Herenweg_Oudorp.jpg ? If not, @Tigerfell: @Reneman: please could you update the dead links. --MalgiK (talk) 14:32, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Since I was the one requesting the deletion, I could set up a redirect to the image. Or, what I would prefer, I could update the dead links on all pages. --Chris2map (talk) 20:45, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Upps, I forgot you in the ping list, because I overlooked that you made the request at the time. Is a redirect to the image/file technical possible (Do you have an example)? Please do the variant you prefer (and is faster/easier), i did try starting update the dead links on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Right_left via change but i failed, because this was a bit tricky, because it take place on an archived page.--MalgiK (talk) 13:18, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

I beg to differ.

Template:Map_Features:highway/doc is useless and outdated page - nobody uses those templates as originally conceived, and they should be eventually substed and deleted (when I get to it). Besides, it just mentions the image, does not link it.
Proposal:Right_left has been approved in 2010 and is hardly of anybody's interest now, and DE_talk:Key:cycleway is, well, just a talk page. I think editors' time and energy is better served on more productive tasks than replacing ancient images. Duja (talk) 10:05, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

I still hoping for fixing the dead links (or set an redirect) even if there small amount. Especially if we have only some cases we dont have to spend much time and energy. Btw. for my understanding this should be done during the deletion of the duplicates. The interesting case here is, that one item is located on an archived page (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?oldid=813491) which is not part of the search results (see: search) i'm not sure how it is possible to search also on archived pages... --MalgiK (talk) 13:18, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

The so-called 'archived' page only is a link to an old revision of the page, and we generally can't alter the content of an old revision (this would create a new revision). A redirect should work, if we want to have one, e.g. File:C&C 27 Mk4 sailboat Pier Pressure 2550.jpg redirects to File:C&C 27 Mk 3 sailboat Pier Pressure 2550.jpg (both are files from WCommons). I would do it as a test case. So we can see, if we want to handle such cases that way in future. --Chris2map (talk) 14:55, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much for finding such a redirect-example. So, the redirect is not set in the osm-wiki file system, but fundamentally in WCommons. Yes, please go ahead with testing such a case. I'm curious if its works. --MalgiK (talk) 08:22, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

I think both should work, a redirect on WCommons, or a redirect on OMS Wiki (via recreating the deleteted file page with the redirect link only). The letter I was thinking of (redirect on OSM Wiki), to not to bother WCommons with "our" redirects. --Chris2map (talk) 09:15, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

Update: It doesn't seem to work for cross wiki redirecting. The local filepage File:Cycle_trackinroad.jpg redirects to local filepage File:Fietsstrook_Herenweg_Oudorp.jpg – so in order the picture to show up in a wiki page, there had to be a redirect on WCommons. I updated all filelinks in the wiki, except for the archived version of the proposal of course. There (in the archive) you have to klick the link to get the image. I'm not sure if a redirect on WCommons is essential for that one case. --Chris2map (talk) 07:47, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

That's why I'm in favor of NOT removing the voting page after the vote. It should be visible, not visible as a version in history. What do you think about this? maro21 15:49, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree! There's only one issue which I don't know how to solve: The risk not viewing the original valid proposal page but a page that was edited or changed after the approval (voting) is higher, I think. One option would be to protect the page, but I don't like page protections since they are dependent on admins. For the layout I would apply some combination or something in-between of Template:Archived proposal and Template:Historic artifact start; a border and background for the proposal page. --Chris2map (talk) 12:20, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Follow-up on Template talk:Archived proposal#Archiving without hiding page content. --Chris2map (talk) 12:01, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: redirect created, proposal page handling discussion happens elsewhere Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:55, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Error "No stashed content found"

Was trying to save edits on a table and got the error message:
"No stashed content found for 0/79df0648-89bc-11f0-9fd5-274f63b25bba"
How do I save the edits without losing the work? -- Petsamo (talk) 18:46, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

I don't no anything about this error but to save your work you could follow the instructions on Wikipedia FAQ about that Wiki error: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Problems#My_edit_won't_publish_due_to_%22no_stashed_content%22? , I guess. Open the page a second time in a new browser window or tab, edit the page there a second time, and copy the content or your edits from the first edit window to the newly opened second one and save the page there. --Chris2map (talk) 14:53, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, I was editing a table in visual editing mode so I didnt know I could copy everything. I copied it succesfully and it worked well! Wish I would have known this also with previous errors. Thanks! Petsamo (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

I guess that it could be reported on issue tracker for MediaWiki though probably they have several thousands open issues anyway... Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 05:23, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: Resolved as far as that wiki goes, if problem is not reported upstream you can try reporting it or contributing to an open bug report Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:38, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

How to obtain the right to edit P16

If a item page stores a wrong value for P16, I would like to fix that, but no possibility to edit the value is shown. Data items#Keys says: "Shows the exact form of the key as used in OSM. Must never be changed once the item is created." - But that isn't true:

2025-10-10 16:22 ref:raa changed to ref:SE:raa by User:Chris2map https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Item%3AQ621&diff=2906888&oldid=2906155
2025-10-10 16:27 ref:se:scb changed to ref:SE:scb by User:Chris2map https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Item%3AQ628&diff=2906893&oldid=2905786

I am registered in the wiki since 2012-09-26, i.e. more than 13 years and installed a public MediaWiki on my own server 2007-01-29, currently running version 1.43.3, close to OSM wiki's 1.43.5 (b2a11b6). Tobias Conradi (talk) 00:50, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

That item property isn't intended to be changed therefore it is protected. However, there are ways to change it, though it is highly questionable when. There is no rule for when a change is a better compromise than creating a new one. At the moment, there should not made changes to the corresponding data items of the keys under discussion. --Chris2map (talk) 07:27, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: answered Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:59, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Should we store at wiki every single value ref:SE:nvrid / lst:diarienr / lst:ref appearing at wiki?

For some reason @Tobias Conradi: created megatable at Key:ref:SE:nvrid#Overpass_result_as_table listing over 5000 values of ref keys.

I deleted it as clearly not needed, unusual and pointless. But user restored it and asks for wider discussion (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:ref:SE:nvrid&action=history )

What is the opinion of wider community on that?

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:43, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Data that is stored in the OpenStreetMap database should not be replicated in OpenStreetMap. Other users can run Overpass or Postpass queries, too. That's not a rare skill in our community. There is one exception for storing OSM data in the wiki: To track mapping progress, lists of features (usually relations for public transport routes, cycling/hiking routes and boundary relations) are sometimes kept in the wiki. However, even they tend to become unmaintained. Therefore, a deletion is justified if the list has been unmaintained for some time or does not aim to track mapping progress. --Nakaner (talk) 18:26, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Does "mapping" in "To track mapping progress" entail any work improving the OSM data? Tobias Conradi (talk) 19:15, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

"mapping" in context of OpenStreetMap wiki and this sentence is clearly related to improving the OSM data. Not sure what else it could mean? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:28, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the confirmation. The data exists precisely for that purpose (To track mapping progress). Tobias Conradi (talk) 20:13, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Why is that not discussed at Talk:Key:ref:SE:nvrid? Tobias Conradi (talk) 19:13, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Because here it will get wider comments. OSM Wiki is small enough to get minimal traffic on talk pages of specific articles. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:27, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

"Because here it will get wider comments." - What does "wider comments" entail?
"OSM Wiki is small enough to get minimal traffic on talk pages of specific articles." - Does that mean, the talk pages are not used? Why do they exist then? Why did you create one for the page in question: Talk:Key:ref:SE:nvrid at 11:01 today (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Key:ref:SE:nvrid&oldid=2914374) . Did something happen wiki-wide between your edits at 11:01 and 19:27 that let you think "OSM Wiki is small enough to get minimal traffic on talk pages of specific articles."

Tobias Conradi (talk) 19:45, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

1. "wider comments" = more feedback, more community.

2. "minimal traffic" simply means minimal traffic. It doesn't help to put everything into question. If we want to have quick attention from other users we need to give them the chance to recognize it. The Talk:Wiki page is such a chance we have. A talk page of a specific tag, or a very specific tag, will take some more time to be noticed.

Time is the decisive factor in all of cases here, which requires patience. --Chris2map (talk) 21:39, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

1. "more feedback, more community" - Are you aware of other methods to achieve that without having the discussion taking place here? Is quantity more important than quality? User:Mateusz Konieczny seems to have very limited insight into the NVRIDs, but spends most of their OSM wiki time hunting edits by a user that has much more insight and now Mateusz Konieczny wants to drag in more users that have no insight into NVRIDs and wants to achieve a bann against the user that transparently engaged the OSM community, achieved consensus for the conversion by OSM editors. A claim by a user "I think no one in the Swedish community would object a revert of Tobias edits. But of course there could be someone that has not spoken out." made without any single evidence was quoted by User:Mateusz Konieczny as only "I think no one in the Swedish community would object a revert of Tobias edits" and commented with

"In such case I would encourage you to write to [email protected] with brief explanation of problem
It was mentioned that some of proposed, or what worse performed, edits are clearly bogus if you know local language - so a short explanation to DWG would be helpful.
(and it is also why I am not making such report myself)

(source: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/proposal-to-convert-keys-lst-diarienr-lst-nvrid-to-refdiarienr-and-refnvrid/137365/25). So, User:Mateusz Konieczny had no clue even about the prior process leading to the edits for which they encouraged another user to get the OSMF Data Working Group involved. The Data Working Group issued a threat, also without any hint why that would be justified. And note: Only that user was threatened with a block by DWG and is hunted and stalked by User:Mateusz Konieczny - other users that were involved in the conversion of the tags before were and are not.

2. /"minimal traffic" simply means minimal traffic./ - Could you imagine that such a statement is maybe a reply but not an answer to question?

3. "It doesn't help to put everything into question." - Do you think that statement is useful when nobody here "put everything into question"?

4. "If we want to have quick attention from other users we need to give them the chance to recognize it." - recognize what?

5. "A talk page of a specific tag, or a very specific tag, will take some more time to be noticed." - Why is that mentioned, did you see that the page "Key:ref:SE:nvrid" has a name starting with "Key:"?

6. "Time is the decisive factor in all of cases here, which requires patience." - Can you explain in more detail what that statement means? Why is time "the decisive factor in all of cases here"? And why does that fact require patience?

User:Chris2map on 2025-10-10/11 you wrote at https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/key-ref-name-squatting-example-key-iso-3166-code-key-gkz/136339/35 "I apologize for the question I posted earlier. It’s not easy to get an overview given the sheer volume and speed of contributions and posts by you." - so when you came to that conclusion, is it helpful to get more and more other users involved that also have no clue of the wider picture, get the discussion concerning a single key page (Key:ref:SE:nvrid) be split between two places? Why aren't all the users contacted that used the key and its predecessor keys in actual data work like User:Tobias Conradi? It's a decade long history and mess. Tobias Conradi (talk) 00:16, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wiki&diff=prev&oldid=2914707 (@Minh Nguyen: - it seems to have landed in a wrong section) and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914706 Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:13, 2 November 2025 (UTC) (there is no need to reply to other questions - this user made legal threats, got banned and this questions are anyway irrelevant or inappropriate in multiple ways Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:13, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Is this belonging on tag page?

@Tobias Conradi: inserts what in my opinion is a misleading summary of his conflict with DWG and all the OSM community at for example https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914588

he also adds extensive copy pasting with changeset comments that are altogether irrelevant at such page.

Is anyone, except @Tobias Conradi: considering such content as legitimate OSM Wiki content?

(my current plan is to remove it again and block Tobias Conradi if they add any such content again - let me know if that would not be the optimal solution)

note: I opposed initial suggestion to ban them on sight, but it looks to me that Wikimedia Community was right about ejecting them from project and we may need to do the same. Enthusiasm is admirable, but you need some communication skills and ability to avoid repeating exactly the same mistakes over and over again.

See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki:Requests_for_administrator_attention/Archive_2#Case_of_banned_user_Tobias_Conradi_in_other_Wikimedia_projects and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki:Requests_for_administrator_attention#Preventive_policy_against_severe_cases_of_banned_users_in_the_other_projects Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:36, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Could it be that:

"in my opinion is a misleading summary" isn't accompagnied by facts, e.g. what exactly is misleading?
if there is really something misleading in the information, the information could be improved instead of removed?
"all the OSM community" is false, since the conversion process was supported by other users as documented at Key:ref:SE:nvrid?
due to User:Mateusz Konieczny (https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/proposal-to-convert-keys-lst-diarienr-lst-nvrid-to-refdiarienr-and-refnvrid/137365/25) and Data Working Group's threat (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/173907545 - https://archive.ph/https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/173907545),
1. the clean-up of Swedish NVRIDs has been severly interrupted?
2. damage to the reputation of OpenStreetMap has been caused?
User:Mateusz Konieczny tries to prevent tracking of the clean-up process (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wiki&diff=prev&oldid=2914566)?
User:Mateusz Konieczny wants to have the user that initiated the clean-up process and did most of the work, cleaning up messy data from get banned?
"but it looks to me that Wikimedia Community was right about ejecting them from project" could be that this is defamation and therefore be challengeable before a court, at least in the European Union?

Tobias Conradi (talk) 20:10, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Basically, IMHO, more documentation is better than less documentation. And it is better to start documentation before a change than afterwards. To that data table on the wiki page: I do not know what I should exactly do with it. The standard tag page probably isn't the right place in my opinion. Furthermore, it makes using the site more difficult (slow). So if the data helps with the process, there could be a separate page for the process and the data. --Chris2map (talk) 21:51, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Agree regarding the size and usability. But the table is only temporary, when the DWG threat is lifted the conversion process can proceed and the table hopefully soon be removed. As User:Mateusz Konieczny seems to be one of the users that is responsible for having the DWG getting involved and making a mess of the process, they could now maybe help to get the DWG threat removed. Currently 2 042 NVRID values are stored using Key:ref:SE:nvrid and more than 2000+ seem to be stored using Key:lst:ref which also stores other values. Tobias Conradi (talk) 00:25, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Based on the table's header, it seems to be an attempt to archive the results as of a specific date. I've replaced the table with a variation of the provided Overpass query that sets the date: option, for stable results without the need to manually copy-paste into the wiki. Unlike Wikimedia wikis, this wiki cannot handle such large pages performantly. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 01:18, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks to Minh Nguyen!

The content of the active dispute is nothing a key description page is designed for. To some extend it could be on the talk page. Unilateral statements should be open for comment, and this should happen on the talk page. The main links to discussions could be listed on the key page, the rest of them on the talk page. And discussion about or with the DWG on the community forum. On the key description page should be left only the key description, the short explanation that there is a converting process, and notes to the discussions and dispute, in my opinion. --Chris2map (talk) 07:45, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: User got banned for mafia-style legal threats in this section ("You have a nice thing, shame if something would happen to it" and other unsubtle implying also will get you banned), making their protest moot. Misleading descriptions got removed from tag page Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:40, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

New values not shown, even after purge

On Key:tactile_paving:* I've used Template:Taglist to make a list of tags... However,values of "tactile_paving:description" and "tactile_paving:type" which were created afterwards are not pulling in new "Description" (nor I guess other new data).

Older values like "tactile_paving:condition" have the description.

Destination wiki pages use Template:KeyDescription with "description" field set, so I would think that description should be pulled in?

I've tried adding ?action=purge to the URLs, as well as making a null edit, but to no avail.

What am I doing wrong / can someone help? --mnalis (talk) 17:48, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

Taglists wonʼt update at once because they go through Taginfo. Wynndale (talk) 07:43, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

@Mnalis: - I see tactile_paving:description appearing now, presumably after daily taginfo update Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:51, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:42, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

translations of names of languages

Does anyone know how to translate these strings? Brazilian Portuguese, Chinese (China), Chinese (Taiwan), Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese - see the table on the right Ko:Taginfo.
It's possible because on DE:Taginfo they have their German translation. They aren't in Template:Languagename. maro21 21:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Maro21: It looks like Template:Languagename calls MediaWiki parser function #language which uses MediaWiki extension CLDR for the language names. --Chris2map (talk) 18:57, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: seems resolved Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:27, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

Edit review request (RTFM)

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:spacecraft:landing&action=history

"simply "yes" is never a good idea as of Accuracy and Completeness" claim is in my opinion wrong, as it can be a good idea if

situation is unclear
mapper is unsure which value is correct

and in other similar cases.

@Rtfm: keeps adding it, see edit history

What you think about it? Should this claim be present there? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

The documentation of a tag is to specify its use, and this is even simpler in this case, because the tag has only 5 uses
The statement simply "yes" is never a good idea is not in the linked article.
40% of values is yes so it should be documented. maro21 00:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Probably this example explains why it's better to be accurate telescope:spectrum. Which possibilities do you see for a landing tower ? Only "yes" would mean "all kind of spacecraft" (such as spaceplanes). As of the syntax: if there are three values (*:*=*), why not use them to express something Rtfm (talk) 18:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: RTFM is banned, edit is reverted Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:27, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

Link syntax in tag descriptions

Because the tag linking in infobox tag descritions currently is on topic (see e.g. Data items), I want to raise the question, if it is good to use the keywords "key:" and "tag:" in lower case. IMHO upper case keywords would be more distinct and less confused with prefixes. Therefore I suggest to update syntax of links in description text on key and tag pages and corresponding data items into "Key:abc" and "Tag:abc=abc". --Chris2map (talk) 19:06, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes, writing in lower case is good. This syntax has been used since the beginning. maro21 15:32, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Wiki website very slow to pages are not loading

Anyone else with this issue? For about one week it happens again and again that OSM-Wiki pages are not loaded. Regardless of the page size or page type (content pages, file pages). Sometimes I have to wait for few minutes, sometimes loading stops after minutes. There is no error message. The browser (firefox) window simply keeps white. After some minutes there is an hourglass in the browser tab title. It also happens that a page already loaded can't be refreshed. This occurs on two different pcs. Over one week ago I didn't encounter this issue. --Chris2map (talk) 18:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

I've had this happen many times too. Mainly a year ago when I was categorizing large amounts of files. At first I thought it was just with files. But some Tag or Key pages were also loading for several minutes. Then for many months this error with long page loading didn't occur. But now it's back again - for example, a week ago my Watchlist was loading for several minutes. Strangely enough, this error only occurs on certain pages at a given time - for example I can wait for 3 article tabs to load, and in the meantime edit other pages on the Wiki. maro21 21:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

That sounds like the same phenomenon. Does anyone know if there was any change on server side? If not, maybe a cache issue? @Maro: Which browser do you use, also Firefox? --Chris2map (talk) 16:49, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Also Firefox. But I don't think it's a browser issue. Because sometimes I had a server error "502: Bad Gateway". But only sometimes, let's say in 8% of cases. Other results were: the page was loaded after five minutes, or the page didn't load and there was a white window. maro21 18:35, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Short update from me: The issue has been gone for what feels like 2 weeks. --Chris2map (talk) 11:41, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

When you go into your Watchlist, doesn't it happen that the page loads, but the browser still behaves as if the page is not loaded in its entirety? maro21 14:24, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

I notice this phenomenon when I open the Watchlist and Recent Changes for the first time. The page is loaded, but the browser is still waiting for some kind of response. I always assumed that a script was loading some kind of user data or messages. --Chris2map (talk) 14:45, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Again today and yesterday. maro21 20:47, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

The issue is Mediawiki InstantCommons API limits severely rate limiting us again, it causes PHP processes to struggle. It particularly affects pages which attempt to pull many images from InstantCommons, but can sometimes overwhelm the server completely waiting on dropped connections from InstantCommons API. Eventually the InstantCommons cache should rebuild. -- Firefishy (talk) 00:01, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Use of images with GNU license

Is this statement right: «You are NOT allowed to use pictures with GNU-License like GFDL or GPL.» Is it, because they are generally incompatible with any other license and this wiki uses CC BY-SA? --Chris2map (talk) 19:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Chris2map: I think this statement is based on Creative Commons's determination that CC BY-SA is compatible the GPL but not vice versa, and no such determination exists for the GFDL. One mitigating factor is that Wikimedia Commons has banned new GFDL-licensed images since 2018. However, I'm not sure if these considerations about license compatibility are relevant for most situations where we would use these images. Other wikis like Wikipedia have always interpreted each article as a separate work, and indeed each image embedded in each article as a separate work, following standard academic and journalistic practice. Just think of all the news articles you've read that include a CC BY-SA-licensed image, with attribution but without turning the whole news site into free content. This depends on creating a clear delineation between the article text and the image and clear access to the full attribution. So you definitely can't sprinkle GFDL-licensed emoji images within an article's text, for example. Anyhow, you might want a more informed take from the LWG before reworking the page. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 21:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Rendering for buildings in infoboxes

In infoboxes for building=* tags, the building rendering is automatically shown, even though there is no link to it either in the infobox or in the data item. Example: Tag:building=church, Item:Q6034. Has anyone changed anything recently to have the rendering added automatically for every building=* tag? Where is it defined? maro21 19:01, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@Maro21: The module that powers the templates says this particular row should fall back to the key's statement for the image. This statement on the key's item specifies that image, though I'm unsure why it's a different size than in Key:building. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 06:39, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

So if I understand correctly, this will work for each key - that is, if I add an OSM Carto image to the data item of a given key (e.g. shop), that image will automatically display in each article tag shop=something? The same situation we have with groups now. But those things you linked have been around for a long time, no one has changed them in the last year. And I remember that a year ago the rendering was not automatically displayed on the tag description pages.

So it makes me wonder why these renderings have recently appeared.

The size is smaller because there is a defined height in the infobox, and otherwise it is default size. maro21 10:26, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

I had a suspicion: Maybe the fallback doesn't do if there is a mismatch in filenaming between page value and data item with the tagkey. And since I've suppressed mismatching for "_"/" " cases, the fallback is also doing its job on those tags and keys. But I can't discover a mismatch in notation of osmcarto-rendering with Key:building. So I'm wrong, probably. --Chris2map (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Visual editor garbles links to Wikipedia

Resolved: Obsolete, seems to be working. --Chris2map (talk) 16:54, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

The Visual editor replaces links to Wikipedia using the external syntax with links to https:, which is not understood. Andrew (talk) 19:34, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I wonder if it's something specific to this very long page. In general I haven't seen Parsoid (the parser powering Visual Editor) try to turn external links into interwiki links in the first place. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 01:53, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Add license options for File upload

Resolved: Had been updated. --Chris2map (talk) 17:18, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

I would like to suggest several improvements

1/ Would it be possible to add licence options when importing new files via https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Upload, in particular "Maxar imagery" and "Esri imagery"?

2/ Also, is it possible to rewrite the line names to make something much simpler like :

"Bing imagery" instead of "major use of Bing aerial imagery" and
"Mapbox imagery" instead of "media consisting partially or entirely of Mapbox imagery"

— Koreller (talk) 08:13, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

If that's not a problem, can the changes be made? — Koreller (talk) 09:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

It would be helpful if wording of the options were as uniform as possible. "Mapbox imagery" is too little information, though, IMHO. I think "media consisting partially or entirely of ..." is an important note to make clear that it is not only about files got from Mapbox but every image with Mapbox content in it. --Chris2map (talk) 11:11, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

You're right, so something like "Bing imagery, partially or entirely" and "Mapbox imagery, partially or entirely" would be good for you? — Koreller (talk) 07:43, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

I support the change. There are probably more licenses that we could add there:

{{Bing image}}: Bing imagery
{{Maxar image}}: Maxar imagery
{{Esri image}}: Esri imagery
{{Mapbox image credit}}: Mapbox imagery

How about this? But it's a pity that this menu doesn't allow to choose several licenses. It often happens that a file has several licenses, because it is, for example, a screenshot with iD + Bing + OSM Contributors. maro21 20:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

The issue with multiple lincenses addressed by Maro is an important objection. In consequence I suspect that we get inappropriate licensed files if we add all the "... imagery" license templates to the drop-down list. Reason: Uploaders might be incited to feel fine and in nice position by simply choose one of these license templates. But in many cases such files (e.g. screenshots) need more than one license statement. Unfortunately I don't see a way we could solve this with a one step solution available with the upload. Therefore I suggest to offer templates like ("... screenshot") which request for a content license to be added manually by a clear note (or error message). --Chris2map (talk) 15:46, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Otherwise we could try something like this:

iD screenshot
iD screenshot without imagery
iD screenshot + Bing imagery
iD screenshot + Esri imagery
iD screenshot + Mapbox imagery
iD screenshot + Maxar imagery

JOSM screenshot
JOSM screenshot without imagery
JOSM screenshot + Bing imagery
JOSM screenshot + Esri imagery
JOSM screenshot + Mapbox imagery
JOSM screenshot + Maxar imagery

Bing imagery, media composed almost entirely of imagery from Bing
Esri imagery, media composed almost entirely of imagery from Esri
Mapbox imagery, media composed almost entirely of imagery from Mapbox
Maxar imagery, media composed almost entirely of imagery from Maxar

--Chris2map (talk) 16:10, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

I adjusted the selection of templates relating to imagery. --Tigerfell

(Let's talk) 21:57, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

@Tigerfell: Thanks! IMHO another problematic upload license option is "GNU General Public license (JOSM)". I would remove it because it will (close to) never be a complete license statement about an image file here. At least I would remove the "(JOSM)". For JOSM screenshots we had specific templates. --Chris2map (talk) 17:04, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

"{{Mapbox image credit}}: Mapbox imagery" = this template got renamed to {{Mapbox image}} Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

sport descriptions

Resolved: for here; no change of description since 2022; copied discussion at Talk:Tag:sport=toboggan. --Chris2map (talk) 19:29, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

Which version is better

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:sport%3Dtoboggan&oldid=2446252 ("Description: A small sled a person sits in, usually used over snow.") (by User:Warin61)
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:sport%3Dtoboggan&oldid=2446273 ("Description: Added on toboggan runs, toboggan sport shops etc") (by myself)

I think that OSM tag description should describe OSM tag - not word used as value in tag. But probably Warin61 also has some good arguments for that version? (maybe they will convince me! Or I am the odd one in such case I can also live with this style) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:44, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

The value of the tag sport=* should identify the sport, not how the entire tag is used. The key sport=* has a description that says For categorising any specific sport it does not say it must be used with some physical tag such as leisure=pitch. Look at other descriptions have have had a much longer history such as highway=primary? It is not described as 'Added to roads.' but rather details what kind of roads. Similarly the tag for sports should describe the sport? Think of someone who has no knowledge of, in this case, toboggans - a description should help them decide it this is the thing they are seeing? Warin61 (talk) 07:30, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

There's some odd exceptions to that. For instance sport=free_flying. So it's clearly not a hard and fast rule. Not that I'm saying Mateusz Konieczny's sentence is better either though. Really I haven't put that much thought into it. Except to play devils advocate. Also, I've always thought it was weird that sport=* could be used without leisure=pitch since you can't really "play within or on some physical feature" without it implying there's some kind of pitch that your playing on. Toboggan runs and similar things like race tracks might be the exception, but it's really mostly semantics. Except in horse racing, where a pitch is apparently the location of a bookmaker. Who would have thought? --Adamant1 (talk) 10:35, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

All for devils advocacy! On the 'exceptions' to requiring some physical feature, there are those on the tagging list who disagree with this view. For 'tracks' there is leisure=track and/or highway=track. And yes, horse racing is on a track .. not a pitch, that is an error should be shop=bookmaker? Warin61 (talk) 06:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

"horse racing is on a track." Sure, technically it's a track. But then the term "pitch" is only really used in soccer, and that's because it's origins come from cricket where that's what the field is called. In baseball the are pitchers, but the field isn't called a pitch. It's called a field. Basketball courts aren't pitches either. Nor are tennis courts. Yet they all those are still tagged as leisure=pitch despite it. I assume because they all share the common definition of "an area designed for practicing a particular sport, normally designated with appropriate markings", which could just as easily apply to a race track. The fact that race tracks aren't "technically" pitches doesn't (or shouldn't matter) anymore then the fact that basketball courts, baseball fields, Etc. Etc. aren't pitches either. That's the point I was making. --Adamant1 (talk) 22:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Another 'definition' that could be better, leisure=pitch "an area designed for practicing a particular sport, normally designated with appropriate markings" .. possibly "an area arranged for a particular sport, normally with appropriate markings"??? Anyway back to sport value definitions, "sport=toboggan description: Added on toboggan runs, toboggan sport shops etc" .. the word 'toboggan' may not be understood by the mapper .. so repeating it in the 'description' does not help... what is 'toboggan'??? Responding with 'toboggan is toboggan'... err no. Warin61 (talk) 09:24, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Usage of icons on boundaries

Stale: --Chris2map (talk) 20:03, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

The use of the icons and are used inconsistently across the wiki when it comes to boundaries (specifically, relations tagged with type=boundary). It is clear that applies to relations of type=multipolygon. However, a boundaries are more complex - they are a relation of type=boundary with one or more closed ways and optionally nodes with the roles admin_centre and label. Are boundaries , , or ?

The table below shows the different answers given on different wiki pages.

1. Does apply to relations of type=boundary?

Yes	No
Template:Map_Features:boundary	`boundary=administrative` Template:ValueDescription Template:KeyDescription Area Types_of_relation

2. Does apply to relations of type=boundary?

Yes	No
`boundary=administrative` Template:ValueDescription Template:KeyDescription Area	Template:Map_Features:boundary Types_of_relation

Which icon(s) should be used when describing boundaries on the wiki? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZeLonewolf (talk • contribs) 01:12, 30 October 2020

is basically wrong with relations, IMO - even with the simple multipolygon relation. As for now there are no different icons for different relations, only

is available for all kind of relations. --Chris2map (talk) 17:48, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Pages about places

What is purpose of Surakarta and similar pages? Encyclopedic content may be placed into Wikipedia and Wikivoyage, structured data into Wikidata instead. This wiki is documentation, not encyclopedia, or I am wrong? Something B (talk) 00:38, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

@Something B: I think that some of such pages were attempting to coordinate local community - but it in general fizzled or never worked. Mediawiki is remarkably poor fit for such use and there are better alternatives. Compare Berlin which at least had some real use. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:40, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Maybe community forum is better for this purposes. This pages (as seems to me) are often poorly maintained and became outdated. Something B (talk) 20:47, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. Though it has not reached point for me where investing time into purging them would be worth doing, or even having net-positive effects. I guess that this section can be treated as resolved and question answered? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:56, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Yes, definitely. Something B (talk) 21:16, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: answered Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:36, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

@Something B: I agree with User:Mateusz Konieczny. I have been deleting such pages in Germany for the last five years (often interrupted by other topics). --Nakaner (talk) 10:25, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

Visual editor isn't usable because of {{Fa}} template

Stuck: The actual request was solved but there is no solution for https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/307 yet. --Tigerfell

(Let's talk) 12:01, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

By putting the {{fa}} template at beginning of Farsi pages, content of the page will be wrapped into it, and so, Visual editor doesn't allow direct editing, but we should edit the content via an interface like text editor.

I found out if I put direct HTML of the template instead of the template itself, visual editor will work.

An example page that uses the {{fa}} to make the page RTL, and the same page that uses the following HTML directly (HTML code from template):

<div lang="fa" dir="rtl" class="mw-content-rtl" style="direction:rtl;text-align:initial;font-family:'Noto Naskh Arabic',Noto,'Segoe UI','Iranian Sans',Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:initial;line-height:1.6">

My question: is there any solution to avoid using this long piece of HTML code and at the same time visual editor work properly? iriman (talk) 13:15, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

What formatting and templates (if any) do multilingual WMF wikis such as Wikimedia Commons, meta.wikimedia.org and Mediawiki.org use? Does the Visual editor work there? --Andrew (talk) 19:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

seems they don't have visual editor as we have here. It's a translate functionality. but on commons there is some templates, for example main page in persian wikimedia commons has a template that uses langcode parameter, however I couldn't find visual editor. iriman (talk) 13:37, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

I tried out a workaround so that for using it without a parameter we should use <div {{fa}}> instead of bare {{fa}}. Apparently it works. Please take a look at my draft. iriman (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

I want to modify {{Fa}} as its sandbox version. Then change all instances of {{fa}} to <div {{fa}}> on all pages of this wiki (~300 pages) with a comment for users who are following those pages.

This will not hurt inline ones {{fa|some text}}, as you can see in my draft mentioned on previous message.

I cannot do this task manually, and willing someone do it automatically.

After that we also need to update {{Ltr}} (~50 pages). iriman (talk) 14:51, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Regarding your question: WM Commons seems to use the page content language property. According to the MediaWiki documentation, changing the page language wraps the content area in <div lang="xyz" dir="ltr/rtl" class="mw-content-ltr/rtl">page content</div>. So, in this case it would be <div lang="fa" dir="rtl" class="mw-content-rtl">.... This solution looks a bit more professional for me, but it would not necessarily include the additional style definitions by {{Fa}}. Is that an issue? (from a technical POV, we would need to request the system administrators to carry out some configuration changes and it may take a few days to review.) --Tigerfell

(Let's talk) 18:08, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

There is no Special:PageLanguage here though. --Andrew (talk) 08:44, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

That is what I meant with "configuration changes". First of all, they would need to enable setting languages for individual pages using $wgPageLanguageUseDB and then they need to assign the pagelang permission to some user group. I'd suggest either user or autoconfirmed (most of us are a member of both groups). The special page will then appear. The procedure for changing the page language would then work similar to changing the page content model using Special:ChangeContentModel. BTW, we could save the rest of the markup of {{Fa}} in MediaWiki:Common.css. --Tigerfell

(Let's talk) 10:57, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

@Tigerfell Definitely your solution is more professional. Font of the page and line height are important but not as important as page direction. With your solution if we'll have visual editor, I think we would be comfortable with it. iriman (talk) 11:24, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

@Iriman: The feature was added in openstreetmap/chef/pull/239^GitHub. I already tried it out in my sandbox. Regarding the rest of the formatting, I would suggest you make an edit request at MediaWiki talk:Common.css for all RTL languages' formatting. --Tigerfell (Let's talk) 20:52, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Nice! Many thanks for following up on this issue. Ok, I will make a request there, thanks for the link! iriman (talk) 23:39, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

@Yurik: Is it possible to set this for all pages with language prefixes in their names by bot? --Andrew (talk) 06:21, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it would be a fairly simple bot that would call action=setpagelanguage, but I am not sure how the bot will know the current language of the page - I couldn't find the api for that. Perhaps the bot will just keep a list of pages it has already modified. --Yurik (talk) 18:46, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

All pages except for those changed recently (after the configuration change) are in English (default language for this wiki). --Tigerfell

(Let's talk) 20:10, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

+1. Also we need to remove {{Fa}}, {{Ar}}, etc. from beginning of those pages. ~~But note that there may be some of these templates currently explicitly transcluded in block mode {{fa}}...</div> or inline mode {{fa|...}}. They should remain as they are now.~~ iriman (talk) 19:01, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Actually currently we may have {{fa}}...</div> or inline mode {{fa|...}} in other namespaces that are ltr. not an issue here. iriman (talk) 08:16, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Long term maintenance could be done various ways, for instance putting a warning message and tracking category in the language template if the language set in Mediawiki differs from the one inferred from the page name. Populating the language tags in the first place is the tedious bit. --Andrew (talk) 07:36, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Why do we need to have the correct language setting for all pages? It would be obviously nice to know and a good info for search engines and the like, but apart from that? --Tigerfell

(Let's talk) 17:23, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

It could be useful for language-specific formatting, for example font face (since it's a common need between all languages). This is a possibility only. Users of a language may need it, or not if default configuratuon satisfies them. For Fa, Ar, He, etc. currently we have font settings on our templates {{fa}}, {{ar}}, {{he}}, etc.iriman (talk) 10:59, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

By use of @Wynndale: idea, I put a general notice on {{Fa}} template for a somehow long term maintenance on Farsi wiki. iriman (talk) 15:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi again, could someone please take this issue in hand: Setting the page content language for new wiki pages automatically on page creation iriman (talk) 05:51, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

A quick update; {{Ar}} and {{Ps}} are no longer transcluded; {{Rtl}} appears on one page to format text; {{Fa}} and {{He}} are confined to categories, as are some templates for languages not present on the wiki. --Andrew (talk) 07:54, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

@Iriman: I looked at your issue when assessing means to hinder users from uploading files without licenses. Unfortunately, I have not found any solution that sets the page language automatically. --Tigerfell

(Let's talk) 13:29, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I think there's not problem with archiving this old section as also the main issue is solved. iriman (talk) 14:21, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Tigerfell: is there anything actionable here? https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/307 mentioned in header is closed with "You're better off talking to the wiki admins really - if they have a change they want us to make then fine but we're not mediawiki experts." Do we need to request something? Is there any other page with similar problems? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:36, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Iriman requests some sort of automated edit that is triggered after a page creation. I currently do not know any way to do this. One might need to look for an extension ... (?) --Tigerfell

(Let's talk) 21:37, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you guys for following on this. Let me add more info on the problem I see:

Someone tries to create a new page in a right-to-left language. I assume that the page have a prefix like ar: or fa: in title so it can be identified as a rtl page. Having the content language automatically set in the appropriate lang has two benefits:

User has the option to look at preview of page before actually saving it. To try this out: I try to create page fa:test, when I click the preview button to review, content is displayed left-to-right and this doesn't look well specially if the content is a mix of rtl and ltr.
User doesn't need to manually change content language of page, since it is automatically set.

File:2Podklad.jpg

File:2Podklad.jpg is JOSM screenshot and contains building's plan, which seems to be not work of the uploader. I am not sure about fair use in this case. No reaction from the uploader. Something B (talk) 13:02, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

I dont see "fair use" with it and if so attribution would still be needed.

Pl:IndoorOSM (Last change to the page content was in 2013 (later edits are only meta like categories and proposal template).)

At least as problematic as the lack of image licenses is the fact that map data is derived from presumably copyrighted content.

Therefore, I would agree to deletion here. – As a result, the page is then damaged. But we can't make replacements for obsolete pages like that. What should we do with the image links? Just leave them as missing file links or remove them from the page? --Chris2map (talk) 17:10, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Broken links not makes sense, so they should be removed, or replaced with stubs, for example:

Something B (talk) 18:48, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Another problem with Pl:IndoorOSM is that the health warning at the beginning of the English version is missing. Wynndale (talk) 19:20, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

I put the Template:Archived proposal on the Pl:IndoorOSM.

The replacement image solution might be a good idea in some cases. I'm thinking of handling it via a template (then we can change the image at once if we want in future), such as

[[{{Replaced file|old=<removed file>}}|200px]]

E.g.

from [[File:2Podklad.jpg|200px]]

to [[{{Replaced file|old=File:2Podklad.jpg}}|200px]]

results

For the final use the image doesn't need to be red. --Chris2map (talk) 21:07, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Possible candidates:

Something B (talk) 14:51, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

English version contains:

File:06.WorkWithPicLayer.jpg — screenshot with another building's plan

File:01.Picture.jpg – photo of the plan.

Something B (talk) 14:43, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Mediawiki internal error with Recent changes

I can't filter recent changes and choose one namespace, for example talk pages because there is an error "[3d0a0d00d2a4fab30d951498] 2022-04-30 16:54:28: Fatal exception of type "TypeError" :/. maro21 16:55, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

I can not confirm. Everything works for me. Strange! --Chris2map (talk) 17:08, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

What do you see when you click the link? maro21 18:06, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

It errors for me. What about https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hideWikibase=1&namespace=1&limit=500&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 which works fine for me? I created it from https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:09, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

@Maro21: Sorry, I didn't recognize and check your first link! Same error for me. Is this a valid url? Did it work earlier? I had checked the function on Special:RecentChanges page and all works there (also link of Mateusz). --Chris2map (talk) 20:32, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

It worked before. This is how I checked recent changes in the past: Special:RecentChanges and then I chose namespace and clicked "Show". maro21 20:41, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

@Maro21: I'm still not clear where this URL notation of your first link that causes an error is generated / used. But I could explore the following: With /w/index.php?namespace=1&tagfilter=&users=&title=Special%3ARecentChanges the option &users= should not be empty. Either remove it from the URL (test1) or put in an user name (test2). Does this do it? --Chris2map (talk) 15:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

The manually edited link obviously works, but I would like the whole thing to work. When I select another namespace from the list from the working URL, there is still an error. Good that you at least found what causes the error and that removing "users=" fixes it - so I can create links like Talk pages, Templates etc. maro21 22:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Fine, I checked your new links and they work for me, even if I change namespaces. But why do you use this form of url notation? Why don't you use https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?namespace=1 ? --Chris2map (talk) 07:58, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't use the URL. I use the RecentChanges tool, which generates such a URL. maro21 23:58, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

@Maro21: "RecentChanges tool, which generates such a URL" - what is the source of this tool? Is it some official gadget or custom script or what? Or do you mean https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges page? If you use Special:RecentChanges - what is the exact list of steps to trigger this? I opened that page, went to namespaces filter, selected "Talk" with check box resulting in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&hideWikibase=1&namespace=1&limit=500&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 which works fine. How you menaged this link to be produced? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:27, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Reported here https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/923. maro21 13:43, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

@Maro21: https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/923#issuecomment-1666896879 is waiting for response Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:41, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/923#issuecomment-1666896879 is waiting for response ("why are you even pressing the "Show" button in the first place?"). Also, are you interested in filing an upstream bug? (that almost certainly will be ignored or closed like other mediawiki bugs...) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:19, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

There is a declarative sentence in reported speech ("I'm wondering why are you even pressing the "Show" button in the first place"), which should end with a full stop. There is no question there. maro21 17:58, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

are you interested in filing an upstream bug? (that almost certainly will be ignored or closed like other mediawiki bugs...)? I think it should be marked as resolved here as we cannot really do anything with it and noone is bothered enough to file a bug upstream (or to implement a fix) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:50, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: Anyone interested in fixing this upstream bug - feel free to submit patch there or file an issue. It is not actionable by changes on OSM Wiki Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:14, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Screenshots GPL version 3

Resolved: add parameter "version=" to the GPL template; applied "version=GNU GPL v3" on the file page. --Chris2map (talk) 17:37, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

File:Osmapy_-_Uploading_data.png - this editor is GPL-3 licensed, please suggest right license template. {{GPL}} is about "GPL-2 or later. Something B (talk) 08:11, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

I think this template suits because there is "either version 2 of the License, or any later version". maro21 15:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Or you can use {{GPL|title=GNU GPL v3}} maro21 15:06, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

I think that it will be incorrect, because version other than 3 (either 2 or any future version) not applicable. Something B (talk) 21:16, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

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Maro21 for administrator

Maro21 has expressed interest in becoming an administrator in order to help us work through our backlogs of administrator-only requests. It's well known that we need more active administrators, and I think Maro will be as active as anyone around here. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 06:33, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you Minh for the nomination.
I'm an active mapper and an active member of the OSM community: in addition to the Wiki, I map (since 2015), translate (since 2018), and report bugs on GitHub (since 2018). I pay attention to detail during my edits. I am active on the Wiki (since 2020). I have 55,000 edits, I'm online almost every day (sometimes the free time I have for OSM is spent on mapping), and some of the deletion requests that I have written slow down my work, because, for example, they involve removing a redirect to move an article there. And these requests have been waiting for several months. Without removal I can't move, and without moving I can't continue to improve the Wiki.

It's normal in projects for people to leave and come. Currently we have 16 inactive administrators, but active people who would be willing to help don’t have the tools. There are currently 18 administrators, 16 of whom are inactive and two of whom are only somewhat active:

Lyx mainly removes spam and blocks spammers, but doesn't deal with deleting pages, for example. He said he doesn't have much time [3]
Minh Nguyễn doesn't feel like deleting several hundred pages: "I can't go further for now, because all this deletion is giving me repetitive stress injury" [4]

But for me it's an enjoyable and not monotonous job. I go into the Wiki almost every day and I want to offer my time. It's understandable that not everyone has time for everything at any given time in life and to devote one hundred percent to every hobby. Of course, I appreciate the work that Lyx, Minh and Tigerfell have done, but it doesn't change the fact that some extra hands would be useful. The page I created, Wiki:Requests for administrator attention, was created not to write private messages to a specific administrator, but for a willing administrator to help make edits. Unfortunately, rarely any administrator looks there and sometimes one has to wait for months to make a simple edit. E.g. such a simple request to create pages with translations, which requires only a copy-paste action, waited two months to be done. If I had been an administrator, it probably would have been ready the next day.

As an administrator, I would like to focus on daily requests to administrators, such as in the Wiki:Requests for administrator attention, or Category:Labelled for deletion. However, I would like to remind that the administrator is not only for deleting pages. There are many other things that an administrator can do, such as:

submitting a request on GitHub to install extensions to MediaWiki
editing messages in the Mediawiki: namespace (interface)
editing the Main Page and other protected pages
editing abuse filter
importing pages from other wikis
moving pages over redirect.

From Wiki:Administrators: "Administrators are trusted users who have access to additional tools in order to carry out maintenance in the wiki. Apart from that, they are ordinary users and do not have a special editorial authority by their position".

An administrator is NOT someone who: is always right, has higher status or someone who MUST perform administrative tasks. However, it is good for an administrator to be someone who is active and moves well in Mediawiki and knows where what is on the OSM Wiki. Admin privileges are not a reward. Privileges are for people who know how to use them and don't present a threat to the project by their actions. maro21 17:04, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Support — Kjon (talk) 06:53, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Something B (talk) 13:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Duja (talk) 07:33, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Computae (talk) 15:44, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — ConsEbt (talk) 23:31, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Thanks a lot for your work so far! (I'm looking forward to your reply at Item talk:Q875#Description reversion!) —Gymate (talk) 18:47, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

@Harry Wood, Lyx, and Pigsonthewing: About two weeks in, there are six votes in favor (aside from my nomination) and no objections. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 21:50, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Time moves slower on OSM Wiki. I think we should wait about a month from the first post. maro21 22:38, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Support — Koreller (talk) 13:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
Oppose - I think that maro21 is not ideal person for administrator due to communication issues. Ironically, I have very similar misgivings as they complained about myself, in the same discussion Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
Oppose – I oppose the nomination of user maro21 for administrator. While I do not question his knowledge of OpenStreetMap itself, I do not think he would be a good fit for a role that requires working together and respecting different opinions. My main concern is that he seems to have trouble accepting views that are different from his own – even when those views are supported by a clear majority of the community. For example, in [5], he removed a part from the article about recommended tagging for cycleways, which said that tagging method he personally supports is not recommended. Although he said the change was to update the article based on the English version, it ended up removing important information that shows the opinion of the wider community. This looks more like a selective use of the source than a neutral update. Also, maro21 does not show this bias only on the Wiki. In OpenStreetMap itself, he has made edits that raise similar concerns. For example, in this changeset, which was supposed to fix invalid road crossings, he also changed some tags to ones that – while technically correct – are not commonly used in Poland. He also is known in Polish OSM community for reverting changesets without a proper disscusion before doing a revert. This kind of editing gives the impression that he puts his personal preferences above community standards and local tagging practices. Dawid2849 (talk) 12:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Not done for now; I will give User:Maro21 time to respond and other editors the opportunity to opine, befre weighing consensus. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:58, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Chris2map for administrator

Chris2map has expressed interest in becoming an administrator. Chris has followed the development of our templates, modules, and scripts for some time and would be helpful in responding to requests for interface changes. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 06:36, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the nomination and support! In addition to the OSM, the Wiki has become a valued field of activity for me over the years, one that I enjoy, challenges me and to which I enjoy contributing. Since Maro has found such clever words and these are just additional tools for the ordinary user, I think it makes sense to distribute the work of the current administrators among more shoulders, thus reducing the burden and optimizing performance. As I said, I am not an experienced administrator and would learn this here, like all my other activities in the wiki. Where I think I can support is: Forwarding requests to the operations team, handling translation requests for interface messages, deleting pages in cases with consensus or in clear cases of spam or license violations, and when other admins ask for support. I think we need to coordinate on this, and/or it will work out over time. Especially if several additional admins join at once. The others, Maro21, Mateusz Konieczny, Wynndale, definitely have my support. --Chris2map (talk) 20:53, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Support — Kjon (talk) 06:54, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Chris2map is a trustworthy person, knows the OSM Wiki well and has great technical skills. He has more than 27,000 edits. He is well versed in data items, templates and modules, helps to develop templates and correct errors in them and in this he is indispensable on the OSM Wiki. He is careful in what he does and counts with the opinion of others. He even has more patience and understanding than I do, hehe. He's also humble and said he doesn't need admin privileges because he doesn't have a lot of time for it, but I think admin tools are just tools and don't obligate him to anything. Even if he were to use them from time to time, I still think he should have them and doesn't need intermediaries. maro21 17:04, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Something B (talk) 13:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Duja (talk) 07:33, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Computae (talk) 15:44, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — ConsEbt (talk) 23:31, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Thanks a lot for your dark mode-related work on templates! —Gymate (talk) 18:49, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

@Harry Wood, Lyx, and Pigsonthewing: About two weeks in, there are seven votes in favor (aside from my nomination) and no objections. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 21:50, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Support — Lumikeiju (talk) 03:08, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
Support — Koreller (talk) 13:26, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Enacted. User:Chris2map Congratulations! Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:53, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you all very much for the trust you've placed in me by granting me admin rights! I'll do my best to do justice to that. Should you ever have any questions or differing opinions on my actions, please don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks again! --Chris2map (talk) 15:19, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Mateusz Konieczny for administrator

Mateusz Konieczny has expressed interest in becoming an administrator. Mateusz has a long track record of staying vigilant toward our locally uploaded files. Granting Mateusz administrator rights would remove unnecessary roadblocks in dealing with copyright and other file issues. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 06:41, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for nomination! I hope that I can help here. I plan to to help with some sysop-specific things. For examoke Category:Labelled_for_deletion - but leaving images that I nominated for later, I can start from parts where I have made less nominations myself. I would help with Wiki:Requests for administrator attention and blocking vandals if any appear and deleting spam. As warning/promise: I think that in cases like Rtfm block should have arrived earlier - there was no need to wait for so long. I admit that I am still not 100% sure when it is OK for admin to just delete a file/age and when even admin should leave delete request. I guess that it is one more part where some improvements are needed. And in general we really need at least some active admins. PS Ops? One more time I am complaining about some work not being done by anyone and I will end doing it myself :) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:39, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Support — Kjon (talk) 06:54, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Something B (talk) 13:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Duja (talk) 07:33, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — ConsEbt (talk) 23:31, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Gymate (talk) 18:52, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

@Harry Wood, Lyx, and Pigsonthewing: About two weeks in, there are five votes in favor (aside from my nomination) and no objections. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 21:50, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Support — Lumikeiju (talk) 03:14, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
Support — Koreller (talk) 13:26, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
Oppose. Observing Mateusz's previous actions, I noticed that he often makes decisions impulsively and without sufficient thought. I feel concerned because I would like administrative decisions such as blocking or deleting to be made thoughtfully and based on careful analysis of the situation.

I also noticed that Mateusz doesn't always take into account the arguments of other users, which leads to undoing edits without fully understanding their context. For me, it's important that administrators show humility and accuracy, and respect the contributions of other community members.

Here he removed a week of my work with two clicks. I translated the English version of the article in its entirety, and Mateusz reverted the whole because he didn't like one word. On top of that, the virulent comments in the summary ["jasne?" here means "is it clear?" which can be interpreted as "I am superior, you are inferior"]. I'm afraid that someday he could remove the whole article like this to someone because he doesn't like something, but without even reading the whole thing. This kind of action, as for me, demotivates to continue working and doesn't build cooperation, but the opposite. I become disgusted with Wiki editing when someone tries to add their one_and_only_possible view to an article and sign it as fact.

Communication with Mateusz is very difficult for me. Several times I tried to communicate, I wanted him to explain his point of view, to which I only got general statements. For example here I asked him to clarify which parts of the article he thought needed improvement. To which I got a response very general, full of judgements and what I should and should not: "description should not be misleading", "controversial changes", "is highly controversial even in Poland". I didn't get an answer to my questions at all, Mateusz didn't explain why he removed my entire article. Communication: 1/10, cooperation: 0/10.

On the one hand he writes "OSM Wiki should not be treated as authoritative and ruling over OSM projects. Tagging is documented here, but it describes how tags are used rather than ruling and mandating", but then decides for himself whether to apply this rule by removing my article, from which I removed the prescriptions on how to map in a certain way, unsupported by any sources, and wrote the article according to a neutral point of view, that is, in this case, without prescribing which mapping variant is better or worse, but only listed used ways of mapping.

He also writes "your edits making it even better are highly welcome!", which I also did here, translating the article, but yet he reverts my hard work "just because".

Mateusz mentioned that Rtfm should have been blocked a long time ago. I believe that blocking active users is a last resort and should be preceded first and foremost by communication – that is, understanding why the other person acts the way they do and clearly expressing what is expected of them. Blocking is one of hundreds of possible solutions when all other methods have failed.

I would like OSM Wiki to be a place where cooperation and mutual respect are a priority. For this reason, at this time, I cannot support Mateusz's candidacy for administrator. maro21 22:15, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

@Maro21: I just want to clarify that this is a vote on giving Mateusz Konieczny administrator privileges. Obviously, we need to account for his contribution history in order to gauge our level of trust in him. But it sounds like you have serious concerns about his conduct as an ordinary contributor that go beyond whether he should have elevated permissions, that you would have even if he declines his nomination. That should be a separate discussion. A brief no vote suffices here in the meantime. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 00:39, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Note that this change by Maro21 significantly mixed valid changes with pushing controversial personal tagging style, while failing to describe it at all in edit description. This was heavily discussed and still is in Polish community and with some threads in English. I would recommend not mixing time-consuming changes with highly controversial ones. And for judgements: yes, I fully stand behind that description of edits should not be misleading. And to be clear, it is not something that should result in block except in egregious and repeated cases, where warning was given. And I would not use admin tools in case where dispute would involve myself, I would ask another admin. And while editing wiki you should be aware what is a broadly shred consensus and what is controversial. If anyone doubts "Mapping combined segregated cycleway-footway as two lines is highly controversial" - forum has several threads about this that I can link. And while maybe I was wrong - but "he reverts my hard work "just because"" is simply not true, reasons for that were given. And for Rtfm-like cases: yes, in case where someone makes false edits, falsifies votes and threatens to sue people for reverting them I think that block is appropriate. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:06, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

"the virulent comments in the summary ["jasne?" here means "is it clear?" which can be interpreted as "I am superior, you are inferior"]" - not sure how you got this. "ma to jakieś poparcie jasne?" means "has it got a clear support?". I guess that you interpreted it if it would be written "ma to jakieś poparcie, jasne?" but (1) comma is not there in my edit description (2) such sentence is word saladish in Polish Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

"I asked him to clarify which parts of the article he thought needed improvement. (...) I didn't get an answer to my questions at all," - what about "Mapping combined segregated cycleway-footway as two lines is highly controversial even in Poland, and it is regarded as even more dubious elsewhere. Removal of this info is not improving article better" in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mateusz_Konieczny&diff=next&oldid=2821493 ? Looking at it again "is not improving article better" is not the best phrasing in English, but of something was unclear the best option it to ask for clarification Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Support — Marek-M (talk) 14:02, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
Support — Dawid2849 (talk) 15:20, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
Support — SpinOff (talk) 23:17, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Enacted. Mateusz Konieczny Congratulations! Please consider putting some content on your user page, to make it more welcoming to users who may interact with your in your new role. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:52, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks everyone! I improved User:Mateusz Konieczny a bit already and did some routine cleanup of backlog from Category:Labelled for deletion. I plan to do more of both. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 00:18, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Wynndale for administrator

Although Wynndale is not very active, observing his actions I've noticed that if there is any vandalism or spam on a page he's watching, he is very quick to respond and revert the vandalism. Examples: [6], [7], [8].
So as you can see, despite the rather small number of edits per month, Wynndale is active and could help block spammers.

He is good at technical issues and knows his way around data items. He has 9,745 edits and has been active since 2009. maro21 17:04, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Support — maro21 17:04, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Something B (talk) 13:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Duja (talk) 07:33, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — ConsEbt (talk) 23:31, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Minh Nguyễn ^💬 06:59, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
Support — Kjon (talk) 10:06, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the nomination, which I would accept. There is a place to make the wiki nicer as a resource to support the OSM project. Andrew (talk) 09:00, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Support — Gymate (talk) 18:53, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

@Harry Wood, Lyx, and Pigsonthewing: About two weeks in, there are seven votes in favor (including by the nominator) and no objections. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 21:50, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Enacted. User:Wynndale Congratulations; but please modify your signature so that it includes your username, before making any comments as an admin. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:48, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

File:Itinerariosavio 1.jpg

Disregard: replaced and marked for deletion --Something B (talk) 09:38, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

AFAIK, no FOP in Italy, but File:Itinerariosavio 1.jpg (and similar) may qualify for fair use? If no, please delete. Something B (talk) 21:57, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

I don't know, w:Freedom of panorama#Italy sounds like there is no Freedom of panorama. But I wonder about the large amount of images on Commons c:Category:Information boards in Italy, many of the images are indicated as "own work" and uploaded with CC-BY-SA-4.0, e.g. c:File:Informatiebord. Bergtocht van parkeerplaats bij centrale Malga Mare naar Lago del Careser 01.jpg, c:File:Ciàssa Vinçénso Mòlle (A Ciàssa, Boisàn) - màppa do sentê Ligùria.jpg, c:File:Ciàssa Vinçénso Mòlle (A Ciàssa, Boisàn) - màppa di sentê de Boisàn.jpg. I'm not sure if or what we can or should do. Does anyone know an italian lawyer? --Chris2map (talk) 11:26, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

For information, this article is much better : https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory (and then click on "Italy", then look on the "Freedom of panorama" section, so https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Italy#Freedom_of_panorama ) — Koreller (talk) 08:21, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

For start, who took photo - Jinx1971 or someone else? What is the license of that part? (whether we need license for derivative work of information board is a separate part) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:19, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

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If you try to put an external link in an edit while the "Convenient Discussions" gadget is enabled, it will silently fail with no error. You have to go into the normal edit mode to solve the captcha. Any ideas for how to fix this? Citrula (talk) 03:30, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

@Citrula: T394115 is probably tracking this issue. Convenient Discussions is developed primarily for Wikimedia wikis, which use FancyCaptcha instead of hCaptcha, but maybe the root cause is similar. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 00:58, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: we cannot do more here, right? Maybe at most we can create "known technical issues at wiki" page (and BTW, this kind of interactions are why I am sceptical about several requests here to install more gadgets)Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:43, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

I've always been a bit leery of Convenient Discussions in particular, simply because it tries to do so much. Twinkle is another gadget that one must be reverent toward. The other gadgets I've installed, such as HotCat, are much leaner and less invasive. That's something to aim for whenever requests for new gadgets come up. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 06:28, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

Dubious licensing of a derivative work

I started asking users to state license of work they uploaded. In most cases it was just clarification of self-made work but there are cases where it is not obvious and appears that users tag things as "own work" where it is actually just screeshot and they may not hold copyright. In such cases user should be asked a clarifying question.

I already edited what I post on user talk pages to be more clear and to be better at not triggering such answers.

I plan on handling that but I post here in case that something would go wrong with that to prevent likely invalid license staying.

If anyone want to handle one of such case: feel free to ask this users. If something is fully explained - feel free to edit list above.

In case of solving something from this list: please add note on the list below Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Current list is as follows:

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File:Beverley.png, File:Trieste 2009.01.13.png - these are Osmarender screenshots, so for sure it's not CC0, I changed it to {CC-BY-SA-2.0 OpenStreetMap} + [Category:Osmarender Rendering Examples]
File:R kleineisel 6.png - if the map data comes from OSM, it should also have at least {CC-BY-SA-2.0 OpenStreetMap}
File:Bahndach.jpg - screenshot of Potlatch should have the same license as the program?
File:BusStopConnection.png - an iD screenshot, so I added the license. Not enough features to say it's either "copyright OSM contributors" I think. maro21 23:23, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
File:Balticmaps-high zoom.png - as I can see on balticmaps.eu the data does not come from OSM, so it's copyrighted and may not be on a free license. maro21 23:42, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

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Uploading CC-BY files should require stating authorship

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Per language feeds of wiki edits?

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Willkürliche Kartenzerstörung?

Abbreviations and misspellings in search

How one may create account while hit by "listed as an open proxy in the DNSBL"?

Wikibase file uses not shown on file pages (or in API)

How can I list tags with data items but have no OSM Wiki page?

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Item:Q5 (area)

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Edits by User:Gastronomy

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Should we delete unused files?

Deleted picture - dead links - picture redirect

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How to obtain the right to edit P16

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Maro21 for administrator

Chris2map for administrator

Mateusz Konieczny for administrator

Wynndale for administrator

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