Talk:Tag:sport=toboggan

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Public only?

Why the restriction? Would not the access tag be used for non public e.g. customers only toboggan runs?

I edited page a bit Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:58, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Is leisure=track really ever appropriate?

This page currently advises mappers to add leisure=track to a toboggan run if it is used for racing. I think this is probably wrong. leisure=track seems intended for the type of tracks found at athletic facilities, which are often circular or oval-shaped, and may be paved with soft synthetic material (common for running tracks) or be dirt or grass (common for horse and dog racing tracks).

From the history of this page, I think the original recommendation was to always tag toboggan runs as leisure=track, but that was deemed to be tagging for the renderer (specifically Carto) and so the wording was changed. But I think perhaps we should go further, and never tag toboggan runs as leisure=track, since in my view these features don't have anything in common with the kind of tracks used for running etc. However, it's unclear to me what toboggan runs should be tagged as, so I'm opening a discussion here. — Jake Low (talk) 00:22, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

sport descriptions

Archived discussion copied from Talk:Wiki (see also archive Talk:Wiki/Archive 11#sport descriptions)

Which version is better

I think that OSM tag description should describe OSM tag - not word used as value in tag. But probably Warin61 also has some good arguments for that version? (maybe they will convince me! Or I am the odd one in such case I can also live with this style) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:44, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

The value of the tag sport=* should identify the sport, not how the entire tag is used. The key sport=* has a description that says For categorising any specific sport it does not say it must be used with some physical tag such as leisure=pitch. Look at other descriptions have have had a much longer history such as highway=primary? It is not described as 'Added to roads.' but rather details what kind of roads. Similarly the tag for sports should describe the sport? Think of someone who has no knowledge of, in this case, toboggans - a description should help them decide it this is the thing they are seeing? Warin61 (talk) 07:30, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
There's some odd exceptions to that. For instance sport=free_flying. So it's clearly not a hard and fast rule. Not that I'm saying Mateusz Konieczny's sentence is better either though. Really I haven't put that much thought into it. Except to play devils advocate. Also, I've always thought it was weird that sport=* could be used without leisure=pitch since you can't really "play within or on some physical feature" without it implying there's some kind of pitch that your playing on. Toboggan runs and similar things like race tracks might be the exception, but it's really mostly semantics. Except in horse racing, where a pitch is apparently the location of a bookmaker. Who would have thought? --Adamant1 (talk) 10:35, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
All for devils advocacy! On the 'exceptions' to requiring some physical feature, there are those on the tagging list who disagree with this view. For 'tracks' there is leisure=track and/or highway=track. And yes, horse racing is on a track .. not a pitch, that is an error should be shop=bookmaker? Warin61 (talk) 06:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
"horse racing is on a track." Sure, technically it's a track. But then the term "pitch" is only really used in soccer, and that's because it's origins come from cricket where that's what the field is called. In baseball the are pitchers, but the field isn't called a pitch. It's called a field. Basketball courts aren't pitches either. Nor are tennis courts. Yet they all those are still tagged as leisure=pitch despite it. I assume because they all share the common definition of "an area designed for practicing a particular sport, normally designated with appropriate markings", which could just as easily apply to a race track. The fact that race tracks aren't "technically" pitches doesn't (or shouldn't matter) anymore then the fact that basketball courts, baseball fields, Etc. Etc. aren't pitches either. That's the point I was making. --Adamant1 (talk) 22:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Another 'definition' that could be better, leisure=pitch "an area designed for practicing a particular sport, normally designated with appropriate markings" .. possibly "an area arranged for a particular sport, normally with appropriate markings"??? Anyway back to sport value definitions, "sport=toboggan description: Added on toboggan runs, toboggan sport shops etc" .. the word 'toboggan' may not be understood by the mapper .. so repeating it in the 'description' does not help... what is 'toboggan'??? Responding with 'toboggan is toboggan'... err no. Warin61 (talk) 09:24, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
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