Item talk:Q875

Description reversion

@Maro21: Could you please elaborate on why you've reverted my [en] description improvement? Thanks in advance for your reply! Gymate (talk) 11:44, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

The description must be the same in the article and in the data item, see Data items#Keys and my previous edit with explanation: [1]. So you can either edit both descriptions or only in the article, but not only in the data item. maro21 11:48, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw your explanation. That's why I edited both Key:ref:HU:edid and Hu:Key:ref:HU:edid to match the data item description. Gymate (talk) 11:57, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Re [2]: What reply are you expecting? I see no question in your second message... maro21 20:54, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

I'd like to know why you reverted my [en] description improvement despite it matching the description of Key:ref:HU:edid. Gymate (talk) 13:49, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

I didn't revert, I just copied the description from the article. Both descriptions should be the same. If you want to change description, please change it in the article or edit in both places. Data item is a copy of data from the article, not a separate entity, like e.g. article in other language. maro21 19:27, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

"I just copied the description from the article" – The string "Used for the Hungarian road toll system for vans and trucks" doesn't appear in the article.
"Both descriptions should be the same." – The description I added had the same meaning as the article description, it was just a bit more concise. Gymate (talk) 12:10, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Anyway, I've changed the article description to exactly match my data item edit (character by character). Gymate (talk) 12:14, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

data item on April 20, article on April 20 - both descriptions were the same after my edits. Yes, the string "Used for the Hungarian road toll system for vans and trucks" do appear in the article.

I don't mean the same meaning. They should be syntactically the same. Even a dot or lack of a dot is important. That's why we have validation tools like modules to check discrepancies.

It's not important for me if the description is "Used for the Hungarian road toll system for vans and trucks." or "The ID of the road section in the Hungarian road toll system for vehicles over 3.5 tons." - feel free to set any of these. It's important for me that both descriptions should be the same. Because what I do regularly on the Wiki is to correct such discrepancies. My request was to edit the descritpion in the article OR both descriptions, and not only data item. Because people won't see your change - almost no one watch data items changes, but many people watch articles. I see you again changed the description only in the data item - why? No one will see it. maro21 21:20, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Gosh, that white edit button next to the description (in the infobox) is totally misleading. I always clicked on it in order to edit the description. It took me to the data item, therefore I thought that it works the same way as Wikipedia and Wikidata does: if there is a data item, it automatically fetches the description from there. (So I thought that by 'description' you mean the first sentence of the article.) And the red edit button (which I should've clicked on) only appears when it's "too late" (= the data item is already out of sync with the article). This is a really bad UX.
Anyway, I'm really sorry for not recognizing how this works. I've corrected it (or at least I hope so)!

But why aren't Wikibase item descriptions fetched automatically in infoboxes? Gymate (talk) 21:50, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

The pencil icons are symbols and that's why there are tooltips when you move a cursor over them :) - to explain what they mean.

Data items descriptions aren't fetched automatically because the original documentation is in the article, which everyone can edit, and a data item is copy of information from the infobox for software that uses data items. maro21 19:36, 10 May 2025 (UTC)