Talk:Tag:footway=chemin de ronde

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If used at all it should be "highway=chemin_de_ronde" not "highway=chemin de ronde". Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

This has been fixed now, and since the move to footway it is footway=chemin_de_ronde (with underscores). Osmuser63783 (talk) 21:57, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

English

Is there really no English term for that? We have values in English if possible at all Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:16, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Conflict

This discussion began when the tag was highway=chemin_de_ronde.

Note that such way can be tagged with highway=footway (or maybe in some cases highway=service). And this proposed tags blocks it Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:17, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Look Mateusz, I am well aware of my shortcomings in creation of something elaborate like this, but I hope I can answer some of your concerns:

• 1) this feature is not a path or a footway, not even remotely close to those - it's an element of a defensive wall, often disconnected from other paths, extremly rarely with a free access, and in present times it is almost exclusively used by tourists; alone it has many different forms and features which means it should have "key:chemin de ronde" with some of these features as "values"; this way is more similar to "corridor" than to any other path;
• 2) I used the lead paragraph to give all English lang. variation of its French name, which is common in history of architecture - I listed six such English variants of this name:
• 3) this "underscore" issue is a result of a template given on page-creation - I simply let this be whatever the template on page creation offered, although I wondered why is that so.

As a relative newbie on this matter part of the project (I am, however, bit more experienced on mapping things) it confuses me that we are supposed to wait for editors to simply strat using specific names for elements and features to get them candidate for tag and keys creation - I mean, how we to expect editors to name this kind of object on their own if they are not offered such a tag while mapping - in this particular case, while I was mapping castles and defensive walls, I was expecting that this tag already existed, and when I realised that one that are offered do not fit the nature of this feature I tried to map as many as I alone could and then create a tag myself. Now, that obviously is not proper procedure and I was lacking proper way / line format that is distinctly "chemin_de_ronde" but I hoped to get, first some time to fix it, and maybe some help too. Anyway, I believe if you inform editors by offering them this specific tag they will use it when mapping corridors and way around the castles' battlements and defensive walls. Thanks for your attention.--Santasa (talk) 19:02, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Looking at https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/668108935/history and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Walls_of_Dubrovnik.jpg - for me highway=footway mapping seems entirely correct and some extra tag not conflicting with highway=footway seems preferable. Maybe historic=chemin_de_ronde or chemin_de_ronde=yes or similar Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:11, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

To be honest, as an architect I think distinct key would be the best way of mapping this, however I wouldn't mind good compromise like some you are suggesting. Something else bothers me more, I am conflicted with two possible ways of tagging this feature: 1) as a highway; or 2) as a barrier or wall or defensive work which comprise these historic elements such as "city_wall", "castle_wall" "defensive_wall" (I am listing these from top of my head, so I am not sure if I mentioned them all and/or named them correctly). Just like historic = "fortified_tower" or "city_gate" that make a part of the "castle_wall" and "city_wall", so are "battlement" and "chemin de ronde" (or if we choose some of English name variants) also part of the fortification architecturally speaking - and of course,it is not unimportant that today's usage is very distinctive (tourism and rarely free access). We don't have to decide right now and/or alone, so we can discuss a bit more and wait and see if anyone else want to chip in some view on the matter.--Santasa (talk) 19:27, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

highway=footway + footway=chemin_de_ronde ?
—— Kovposch (talk) 04:24, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

This could work too, maybe this would be better in relation to highway (although historic=chemin_de_ronde can be useful; it's historic feature).--Santasa (talk) 23:43, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

The description says it "was devised as a walkway", so it sounds like it is literally a footway, just a very specific type. Certainly worth mapping, but I think highway=footway + footway=chemin_de_ronde would work much better than highway=chemin_de_ronde. The thing is, if you map it as a highway=chemin_de_ronde, then you are asking every data consumer - every map, every router - to write code to support it. Until or unless they do, there will be a lot of resistance from mappers to using this tag, because changing the tag from footway to chemin_de_monde breaks both rendering and routing. Whereas if you tag it as a footway with footway=chemin_de_ronde, that provides a nice fallback for data consumers that don't support it. What do you say @Santasa: - should we change cases where you used highway=chemin_de_ronde to the proposed alternative? Osmuser63783 (talk) 15:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi to all. I was away from the project for a while, so I apologize for not responding, @Osmuser63783:, @Kovposch:, @Mateusz Konieczny:. I just wanted to say, I would agree with any good compromise you guys have offered so far or would like to make at present moment. The important thing is that it seems to me, you guys accepted my argument that it is either needed or at least acceptable one way or another. The Great Wall of China alone has more than 8,000 kilometers of traversable sections that could make use of the tag chemin_de_ronde, informing editors and public that it's very specific kind of path. Thanks.--Santasa (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

Welcome back! Great, let's start retagging them from highway=chemin_de_ronde to highway=footway + footway=chemin_de_ronde. I've started in Kotor, where I originally noticed it (because routing didn't work): https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/170635968. Once we are done, we can move the Wiki page. Osmuser63783 (talk) 18:53, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello Osmuser, I have changed a whole bunch today, maybe 15-20, including Dubrovnik, Ston, Trogir, Jajce, and many other. I will continue as I remember where I used the tag. Do we have to re-tag every single one before we do the Wiki page?--Santasa (talk) 13:18, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

@Osmuser63783:, please check if there are any left tags to replace, and see if the page could be dealt with now.--Santasa (talk) 00:40, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! I've checked and there weren't any left. I've now updated the page: I moved it and I also made a few other small changes to make sure it's consistent and makes sense for a sub tag of footway= (e.g. vehicle and bicycle access is no by default). Please check and make sure you're happy with it. Osmuser63783 (talk) 07:55, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

OK, @Osmuser63783:, I will probably get back later this evening to look around a bit. If there's anything that I would like to add or suggest, I will ping you. Thanks and cheers.--Santasa (talk) 11:35, 20 August 2025 (UTC)