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112182586 about 4 years ago

Ein Großteil der Änderungen sind Blödsinn, revertet das ganze und gut ist. Ich sehe keinen Grund, warum man das jetzt groß ausdiskutieren sollte.

111921328 about 4 years ago

Fixed, thanks for letting me know!

111172768 about 4 years ago

You accidentaly changed way/34834082/history , an empty way to highway=service - thus creating 28 intersections. I deleted the way now.

110880519 about 4 years ago

Yeah, okay. I admit that I was too harsh. It's just that when it comes to the topic of bad imports/mass edits, I get angry very quickly. In the area where I'm editing right now, everything is full of such bad import stuff from 12 years ago. I spend half my time just to fix that. Probably 90% of all imported NHD data in Georgia is wrong and needs to be corrected. Many rivers and lakes need to be completely redrawn because they are so off from reality. Hwy/waterway intersections are everywhere. 95% of all imported landuses in Atlanta are wrong/outdated and need to be redrawn. Again, from scratch is usually much faster.

Tags being added to many otherwise empty nodes happened often, and I'm sure it could have been easily prevented - for me that's a case of "bad mass edit".

Okay, if it's absolutely wanted, operator tags can be added to any power pole. But what is completely unnecessary in my view are the operator:wikidata and operator:wikipedia tags. They are simply triplications of the normal operator tag, which do not contain any further information. These tags might be useful if the operator exists twice or there are 2 companies with very similar names. But there is only one Florida Power & Light. Just as there aren't several "Georgia Power" companies and wherever these tags are now suggested by the id editor. We should of course map in detail, but we should also be careful to tag in a data-saving way. I know, at least a quarter of all tags in the US are crap tags from imports, which drive up the amount of data unnecessarily. But that doesn't mean we need to add even more.
Long story short:
I was too harsh.
Fix the empty node thing.
Do not use operator:wikidata/pedia

110880519 about 4 years ago

So has anyone got any objections against reverting?

102291389 about 4 years ago

Definitely not a demolished building with a spelling mistake.

108991060 over 4 years ago

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110880519 over 4 years ago

operator and all the other useless tags on every power pole and even tons of empty nodes? Sorry, but i suggest to revert this bullshit immediately...

111175331 over 4 years ago

because it was duplicated by the landuse=industrial, but i forgot to add the man_made=work there. fixed way/842248188

110103772 over 4 years ago

Hello, please make sure that your changesets don't cover the whole world. Something like that makes using the "History" tab pretty pointless. Thanks!

110322829 over 4 years ago

Hello, please make sure that your changesets don't cover the whole world. Something like that makes using the "History" tab pretty pointless. Thanks!

110356470 over 4 years ago

But updading that page is definitly a good idea.

110356470 over 4 years ago

Late reply, i read it just now...
Instead, they match the official wiki definitions. It is nowhere written that the Georgia DOT definitions should be used instead.

110339378 over 4 years ago

Yes.

110339378 over 4 years ago

So then there has to be a proper consensus. It cannot be that this HFCS system is taken here as source of all classifications, but not even the "HFCS=*" tag is documented somewhere. There must be a decision: should we use the HFCS system as the source of our road types, or should we determine the road type ourselves using the definitions already available on the wiki? Don't get me wrong: I have no problem with using this system, and certainly not with HFCS tags. It's definitely useful for cases like the one in Texas and as a general orientation. But I also don't want e.g. highway=secondary in Europe to mean something different than highway=secondary in Utah, and something different again in Georgia, because states have their own definitions of importance. But that's exactly how it is when you apply osm.wiki/Georgia_(U.S._state)#Highway_Classification . The standard definition for hw=secondary is "A road linking large towns." This certainly does not apply to the road I mentioned earlier, however it is classified as such by HFCS. This road is never in my mind a "major collector" because I see the road as pretty unimportant, it doesn't link any larger towns to the "arterial network" after all, and it doesn't collect much traffic either. I don't want all County Routes to be tertiary either, we have to consider the importance and the stage of development. Not all US Routes are trunk, not all State Routes are primary and not all Country Roads are tertiary. I have already tagged a country road as highway=track, because it was only a dead end grass road into a forest and not a single house stood at it.

110339378 over 4 years ago

osm.wiki/Georgia_(U.S._state) - this is where it conflicts.
For example: way/9053572 The "Major collector road" classification of the road does not match with the description at the Georgia-Wiki page. (not just the linked segment, it applies to the entire road from Bluffton to Arlington) This cannot be considered an secondary road, because it is not an State Route, it does not provide access to larger towns, there are no generators of highter traffic volume - there are a few houses along it, and the possibility that people use it as a through route is very small too, there are enough state routes that people would use instead. The Georgia-Wikipage definition of highway=tertiary fits mutch better "County Routes .... These collect traffic from local streets in residential neighborhoods and channels it into the arterial system. Provide service to remaining smaller rural communities." And the normal highway=tertiary wiki definition fits even more. "Outside urban areas, tertiary roads are those with low to moderate traffic which link smaller settlements such as villages or hamlets." This is exactly what the mentioned road is. I don't think we should blindly use these HFCS classifications for everything, as they does not always make sense.

110339378 over 4 years ago

Hello, why are you adding addr:city to every street? This is not mentioned at addr=*#Where_to_add_the_address and i see no purpose in doing so. The adress of a street can simply be generated using city's boundary.
And why tagged you way/9384441 as highway=tertiary? This is obivously an normal residential road, not an road that links settlements (highway=tertiary) or a "Minor Collector" road. You should also read highway=secondary because you misused that too, for example at way/9105577 and in surrounding areas. This is neither an secondary road "that links large town", as it links the small hamlet "Bluffton" with the small town Arlington, not is it an "Major collector": It collects maybe a few people from the 5 farms along it - thats certainly not enough to be a "Major Collector".
Long story short: You sometimes tag roads with highter classifications than they're actually are - you should read the wikipages about the Tags you're using. No offence :)

110231531 over 4 years ago

666 edited nodes ... uh-oh!

15610060 over 4 years ago

Also eigentlich sollten abgerissene Sachen laut osm.wiki/DE:Lifecycle_prefix#Nicht-Nutzung_und_Verfall mit demolished: oder razed: getaggt werden. Abandoned bedeutet verlassen/aufgegeben, also nicht, dass da ein Strommast war, sondern, dass da ein Strommast ist, dieser aber z.b. halb abgeknickt und generell nicht mehr verwendet/wiederaufgebaut wird.
Wollte es nur erwähnt haben.

108991060 over 4 years ago

Are you really sure that way/160578487 is still used? At the Bing and Esri imagery it is clearly very stongly overgrown. (Esri should be the newest)
For me, it looks like the Parrish Spur (relation/12698664) is divided in three parts:
Part 1 is used by CSX and goes from the junction in Palmetto to one last customer in Moorehead Ind. Park.
Part 2 goes from Moorehead Ind. Park to the RR museum in Parrish. This part is out of service.
And part 3 goes from Parrish to the RR Museum in Willow, where the track ends. It is used by the museum for excursion/hertiage trains. The Spur to Manatee P. Plant is used to store old passenger cars, not to bring stuff to the power plant, if i see this correctly.
Or am i wrong here?