This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset/65205445 where the changeset comment is: delete Yet Another bogus maps.me castle

This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset/65205248 where the changeset comment is: delete Yet Another bogus maps.me castle which does not exist in the middle of the road

This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset/65203649 where the changeset comment is: delete Yet Another bogus maps.me Whatever, spammed as private residence

This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset/65175265 where the changeset comment is: revert addition of fictional ojects, please only add things that really exist to OSM

This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset/65175207 where the changeset comment is: revert addition of fictional ojects, please only add things that really exist to OSM

This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset/65163830 where the changeset comment is: Undo a pulled note in an iD changeset that never should have been saved

Mojn ihr drei,

i would suggest ... drawing a building outline here, tagging it as a hotel, then within it, adding a node for the restaurant.

then both can be found by a search, whether for lodging, or for fine dining / fressen.

i also second all suggestions to graduate to JOSM for serious mapping.

A further hint, as i see this edit was made with iD as editor, and Lukas pointed to the above comment in another changeset:

As you are editing here in germany, you may come to the conclusion as i did editing in Freiburg im Breisgau, that the Clarity images are both the easiest to work with and most accurate, but a different imagery source, perhaps Digital Globe, is most up-to-date, in any given region.

My editor, Potlatch (an end-of-life product) allows me to open a floating window with a different background imagery so that i can see differences between the two where on-the-ground changes exist, without the pain of switching from one background layer to another.

I do not know if iD offers this ability -- i have not found it in the few times i've used iD. I'm almost positive that JOSM must offer such a feature.

i do not know what your mapping focus is and whether this feature would be useful - i imagine it is most useful if someone edits extensively in an area without a particular focus.

if your team is all using iD to edit, i strongly encourage you to look into JOSM, for one reason that it is far more powerful, but a second more important reason is that in troubleshooting problems in mountain view california, resulting from edits carried out by the Lyft mapping team using iD, that through no fault of theirs, route relationships were being damaged.

as you may be touching objects that are part of a relation - not here, but there exist at least two on the street about 100m west - if you are doing the same sort of work as lyft (adding details), you may run the risk of damaging a route without knowing it.

this is one of several bugs or serious deficiencies in iD when handling relations. it may work well for small changes like here, but keep in mind it is not as powerful as JOSM and i have seen many mistakes being made as a result of iD design decisions. (not that you cannot do a lot of damage with JOSM, because of course you can, just as i have spent the last three days cleaning up after damage and vandalism created with potlatch.)

just another tip from me; if it does not apply to your work focus or flow, no big deal, as i am sure someone will find this useful. maybe. or not. probably not.

danke

This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset/65135677 where the changeset comment is: #vandalism Please do not scribble all over the map, and only add things that are real. There are other places for fiction.

This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset/65135479 where the changeset comment is: Vandalism. OSM is not the place to carry out tests, we map the reality, not motorways through old-town centres. Please do not do it again.

i have a problem with this,

did you obtain permission from contributor MintCondition before deleting her/his row of buildings at the north of this changeset added less than a year ago?

https://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=65110474

ignore me if you have; i offered my tracings for sacrifice to the miami import out of principle.

as these are mostly minimal improvements, rather than deleting the buildings and losing the history that MintCondition contributed to osm here, it would have been better to merge the imported geometry with the original building's history out of respect for fellow mappers.

otherwise we may as well set up 0pen5treetMap exclusively populated with official data and delete all other pesky user contributions.

thanks.

apparently reverted by changeset/65107583

Hallo Ganesh,
Can i make a suggestion?

With so many organised mappers editing around the world, it is difficult for me to tell at a glance who works where.

This makes it difficult for me, where, for example, i have been troubleshooting Lyft edits with six changesets in one place from different lyft employees, whose connection i try to verify.

it would be helpful if your employees were to add a suffix like _amazon or _al (i think you are connected to amazon logistics - apologies if it is a different organisation) to your usernames used to edit the map.

this is not required, but after i have been able to connect the _telenav suffix to their usernames, it is easy to identify their work and edits and remember the connection, and is something i now appreciate.

.

With regards to this changeset contents, i see your editor was using aerial imagery of
imagery_used Esri World Imagery (Clarity) Beta

This is an unfortunate misleading name, as one usually understands Beta to refer to the newest version of a product, but in fact the images are probably about ten years old, even if in many cases in germany they are the best-looking, thus the name Clarity.

I wish the Beta would be dropped and an indication of their age be given with a word like Archive or something...

Apologies if you knew that, but anyone who uses the Clarity images should compare them with all the other aerials available before thinking about making a decision on that imagery - it is good for alignment in most cases, though.

thanks...

This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset/65109043 where the changeset comment is: Yes. This is not what OSM is for. Your vandalism will not be tolerated.

This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset/65109000 where the changeset comment is: Yes. Both changesets reverted, user reported for official rubber ruler thwack on the back of the hand.

This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset/65109111 where the changeset comment is: Please take OSM seriously and only add things that exist in the Real World. Thanks.

This is not a huge changeset, less than 2500 nodes in less than 100km.

I have done as large, and larger.

If it were over 1000km, that would be a problem.

https://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=65004287 shows it is very logical and linear and easy to follow, and looks very much like how i used to edit.

Serwoas, Lyft Team (I have not checked, I shall at the end)

Can I request that your many editors add to their OSM usernames, the suffix _lyft ?
That will make it much easier to see which edits in a series of changesets you have made when i am trying to troubleshoot problems, because i had to check around ten usernames on my first troubleshooting, only two or three i will remember today.

This not only identifies you, but it also builds up a link in me brane, such as with the several _telenav editors, many of whom i will recognise even from their private accounts.

This is not required, but with so many teams editing OSM, I am losing an overview as so many names pass in front of me.

thanks!

I am afraid that again in the edit to this northbound section of road, because of the iD bug, the route relation seen in
relation/1109585#map=18/37.41630/-122.14676&layers=ND
was lost from this short section.

I found this by a visual inspection of the route, wanting to close the window, but wanting to make sure the whole route was intact. I did not use any tools but eyeballs.

I do not know if you have a tool that will find an error like this yet - if so, please try it and see if it finds this.

May I repeat the suggestion that you move as quickly as possible to JOSM? I was using iD earlier today in hopes of repairing a different relation, and it was far too limited to succeed. But it should not have the bug of losing relations, because small edits like this are well within what iD can do.

This may not be the problem changeset, but I do not feel like again trying to find the exact source of the error :-)

And now to peek behind the curtain...
Yes, cdruck of Team Lyft, welcome to OSM and greetings to everyone else with whom i have communicated.

cheers

This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset/65107809 where the changeset comment is: Yes, I think so. Please do not add a tourist bed-and-breakfast at your home or any personal info to OSM, and please only add real things with factual info, as what you do is visible to the whole world.

Grüezi Johann,
Just to make it clear to all, i should have written
``Summary of the last sentence above, translated into raw english:'' usw

This was *not* directed at you or to anyone, but was meant to alert non-german-speaking readers or others who might have dismissed this changeset commentary.

If it came across to you or to anyone else differently, please accept my apologies. i only re-read what i wrote once, making it twice as long, and posted hurriedly in an attempt not to re-read again and make it three times as long.

Also, for clarity, i am in no way related with HOT or any other organised mapping. i am a volunteer, and have never been paid or otherwise compensated (other than being in the community, and using osm on my garmin) for my mapping, not that it matters. i have expanded my quality checking to include most countries of the world in a small way, all with their own issues, to take the place of the active mapping i used to do.

The areas i have added typically have had Bing aerials at zoomlevel 20, distorted to make it appear one is directly above all buildings or looking down chimneys. Also Mapbox, with slightly better resolution if degraded now, and the range of ESRI coverage up to native zoomlevel 22 (23?) where mapping individual small asphalt roof tiles is possible. That probably corresponds to the Kanton Basel-Land 10cm imagery i also used. I have been unable to find out the native resolution of the different imageries listed, aside from BL.

I understand how frustrating it is, when editors default to the new Bing imagery with up to 10m offset and with a native zoomlevel of something like 17 if not worse, totally unsuited for mapping details and offering no incentive to new mappers to add quality.

In my limited mapping of austria, i was not that impressed with the aerial imageries, but that may because my editor does not support WMS services directly.

Reading the raw editor-layer-index source in hopes of getting a clue, i find nothing for the tiris orthophotos, and for Wien i see max-zoom of 19, which is the point where i would not even try to map accurately. the same z19 applies to the basemap.at ortho images. even z20 Bing looks tiny after i have a house almost filling my screen from esri somewhere in florida, i believe, or connecticut, in the usa.

Ah, VoGIS offers 10cm im Ländle, i'd be happy mapping from that. that is the standard i expect, or better (5cm).

there really is no reason for me to write all this, other than dispel the misconceptions you or others may have of me as you have expressed above.

i hope to have clarified things.

carry on.