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166593656 7 months ago

Current name is just "Highway 228", which is what the USPS (US Postal Service) uses. Check their URL (Zip Code finder - I list their URL in the changeset) and they come up with the "Standard Address" which uses "Highway 228". We can save all the alternate names, which I did.

166593656 7 months ago

Hi! Yes, and after looking up the name of the highway on the State of Oregon maps, saw it had lots of alternates, so changed it to the current name, which also matches what the USPS uses.

166327633 7 months ago

Meant to say "Updated details of Supercharger station"

165691979 7 months ago

The US National Park Service has a photo at https://www.nps.gov/places/000/yoda-fountain.htm , so if the US government has a photo, it should be usable with no issue. I could be wrong, though!

166096343 7 months ago

Went over 256 chars on changeset note. Continue here: Added ele, opening_hours, parking:fee, start_date

165864544 8 months ago

Why are you setting these roads from service to residential? Clearly this is a commercial area and not a residential area. Is this a mistake or am I missing something?

165788549 8 months ago

Excellent. Very cool. There are so many cool things with OSM. Thanks again!

165788549 8 months ago

Thanks for the typo fix. Man, how did that get in there?! :)

165560748 8 months ago

Thanks for finding and fixing my type1 typo!

163186306 9 months ago

I'm going by official OSM guidelines. I can point you to them to read, which I've done, but I can't understand them for you.

163186306 9 months ago

Just in case you are trying to gaslight me, it's not working anymore.

163186306 9 months ago

Then I asked Grok the same question and it said:

As of now, EV chargers in the US generally do not accept cash directly at the charging stations. Unlike traditional gas stations where cash payments are common, most public EV charging infrastructure relies on digital payment methods. This is largely due to the design and operation of charging stations, which are often unattended and equipped with systems that process payments via credit/debit cards, mobile apps, RFID cards, or contactless options like Apple Pay or Google Wallet.

Major charging networks like Electrify America, ChargePoint, and Tesla Superchargers typically require payment through their respective apps or contactless card readers. For example, Electrify America stations display pricing on the charger screen and allow payment via their app or contactless cards, but there’s no mechanism for cash transactions. Similarly, ChargePoint stations often require an account linked to a payment method, and Tesla Superchargers bill directly to the user’s Tesla account, which is tied to a credit card.

There are rare exceptions where cash might be accepted indirectly. For instance, some charging stations located at businesses like convenience stores or gas stations might allow you to prepay with cash inside the store, after which the attendant activates the charger for you. However, this is not a standard feature of EV chargers themselves and depends on the specific location and operator. Discussions on platforms like Reddit have suggested ideas like prepaid cards purchasable with cash at retail locations, but no widespread implementation of this exists yet in the US.

The shift away from cash is partly practical—adding cash-handling hardware to chargers increases costs and maintenance, and digital payments align with the tech-driven nature of EVs. Additionally, regulations like the 2020 US government mandate for new rapid chargers to accept contactless card payments have further prioritized card-based systems over cash.

So, while you won’t typically find EV chargers in the US that take cash directly, certain locations might offer workarounds through on-site staff. For the most part, you’ll need a card or app to charge up.

163186306 9 months ago

I just asked ChatGPT, which of course isn't omniscient, this question: Do any EV chargers in the US take cash?

In the US, most electric vehicle (EV) chargers typically don’t accept cash directly. Instead, they rely on digital payment methods, such as credit/debit cards, mobile apps, or subscriptions to networks like Tesla Superchargers, ChargePoint, or Electrify America.

However, there are some chargers at locations like gas stations or convenience stores that may accept cash at the point of sale, where you could load money onto a card or pay at the pump to use the charging service. Some networks also allow payment through app-based services or by using RFID cards tied to a payment method.

163186306 9 months ago

Do you own or operate an EV? I'm getting the impression that you don't.

163186306 9 months ago

I've never heard of cash at any EV charging, though I haven't used all brands. EVgo, Electrify America, ChargePoint, Tesla: they all do credit cards or apps, and sometimes NFC or RFID cards (ChargePoint for sure uses RFID). But payment is not what the access tag is for. Payment schemes are separately tagged. As I quoted in the OSM docs, access is all about who can use it. All of the charging companies allow anyone, with a few exceptions like chargers on the property of companies that have fleet charging. If you're talking about drama, try using Electrify America or Francis Energy, if you can even make them work. Rivian is reportedly good, as is Tesla, which has the least drama of anyone because they actually pay people to keep their system up. They got the station in MA up in 48 hrs after an arsonist torched it.

163186306 9 months ago

Hey Baloo Uriza, after seeing dimmed rendering of "Electrify America" and "Tesla Supercharger" after adding both stations in Lordsburg, NM, I really dug in to the question of whether publicly available EV charging stations should be tagged access=customers or access=yes.

access=customers is problematic and to clearly see the problem, consider a grocery store. If a grocery store open to the public was tagged access=customer, that wouldn't make any sense because anyone can enter, even before they are a customer. The store is open to anyone willing to pay for groceries. Once you pay, you become a customer. So a grocery store open to the public should be tagged access=yes .

The same is true for EV chargers open to the public. Access is open to any person willing to pay (and of course have the correct plug or adapter), so they should be tagged access=yes.

This is confirmed at access=* , which on the "customers" line says, "Only for customers/visitors of the associated feature, such as a shop or tourist facility. If access is open to any person willing to pay, consider using fee=yes (+access=yes) instead."

Also, access=customers says "access=customers applies to features which may be used or accessed only by customers of a specific facility such as a shop or restaurant." That is clearly not the case with most EV chargers. You don't have to buy something at Target to use the Electrify America or Tesla chargers out front.

Thanks for your other best practice recommendations, such as the construction tagging scheme and not abbreviating street names. All the best!

164099247 9 months ago

Hey @brendan77, the access tag has been a mess and I got bad advice from @Baloo Uriza, who has over 38K edits. He was the one who said to change to access=customers. After seeing dimmed "Tesla Supercharger" and then dimmed "Electrify America" after adding both stations in Lordsburg,NM, I really dug in. He was right on everything else with good suggestions, but wrong on this.

access=* , which for "customers" says: "... If access is open to any person willing to pay, consider using fee=yes (+access=yes) instead."

Also, access=customers says "access=customers applies to features which may be used or accessed only by customers of a specific facility such as a shop or restaurant."

So clearly it should be access=yes . Whew!

163209458 10 months ago

Now just have to wait for those tiles to get re-rendered. :)

163209458 10 months ago

The tagging scheme you recommended (amenity=construction + construction=charging_station) worked while another editor's suggestion didn't (construction:amenity=charging_station). So, thanks again!

I've made the change to all stations I've mapped, and I'm pleased to see that the default OSM renderer puts the addr:housenumber on the map for a charging station under construction instead of just hiding it or not showing any difference between live and under construction.

163209458 10 months ago

Heh heh, well, anything done by humans is imperfect, but we try.