This changeset is now partially reverted further in changeset/64133024 <changeset/64133024>, on the attribute of first internal branch of Samsen 9 drive.

Reason: The branch way is heavily barricaded inside, and is only safe for walking by foot. Even riding a bicycle through it is a long shot; cars can't enter at all; re-verified by an on-foot ground survey.

Note that the partially-reverted changeset is actually 62658038 <changeset/62658038>, one in the commit message was mistyped.

This changeset is now reverted in changset 64087860. <changeset/64087860>.

Reason: Wat Pho (a temple), and Wat Po TTM (a massage school) use different contact email. The email you tried to assign to the temple actually belongs to the massage school.

References:
- The temple: <http://www.watpho.com/contact.php>
- The school: <http://www.watpomassage.com/2014/index.php?r=/site/contact>

This changeset is partially reverted in changeset/64065846 <changeset/64065846> around the east wall of Wat Bowonniwet school.

Reason: That is not a residential road, it is a very short driveway leading to a school gate, and it doesn't normally allow motor vehicles to go inside.

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สำหรับการแก้ไขของคุณ ย้ำนิดว่าถ้าคุณเจอเซเว่นอยู่หน้า หรือในตึกธนาคารจริงๆ, การเำปลี่ยนชื่อตึกธนาคารให้เป็น "เซเว่น" นั้นไม่ถูกต้องนะครับ, ซึ่งผมได้ย้อนการแก้ไขของคุณออกไปแล้วในชุดการเปลี่ยนแปลง 64033987 <changeset/64033987>

วิธีที่ถูกต้องคือ คุณจะต้องเพิ่ม POI/หมุด ตัวใหม่ ลงในพื้นที่ของธนาคาร โดยตั้งชนิดหมุดตัวนั้นให้เป็นร้านสะดวกซื้อ แล้วจึงใส่ชื่อหมุดเป็น "7-Eleven" ตามป้ายที่เขียนไว้หน้าร้านครับ

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ป.ล. แต่ถ้าคุณลองแก้เล่นดูเฉยๆ โดยไม่ได้มีเซเว่นจริงๆ ก็อย่าลืมนะครับว่า OpenStreetMap เป็นแผนที่ที่แสดงโลกของจริง และคนจริงๆ ก็ใช้, ฉะนั้นถ้าแค่ทดสอบ อย่ากดบันทึกนะครับ

Welcome to OpenStreetMap,

For your edit: please note that when you found a 7-Eleven inside of in front of the bank building, changing bank's building name to "7-Eleven" is a wrong thing to do. I have now reverted your edit via changeset/64033987 <changeset/64033987>.

The right thing however, is to create a new POI node in the area of bank building; with its type set to "Convenience store", and its name set to "7-Eleven"- per what's written in front of the store.

Keep calm, and try again.

P.S. If you are just testing out editing without actually found the 7-Eleven store there; please keep in mind that OpenStreetMap is a map about real things, and real people use it. When just testing, exit without saving.

Are you sure that this fast food restaurant is really located right there in the _middle of intersection_, and not because of an GPS error?

Because this sort of occurence is /highly unlikely/ with this kind of intersection, even when assuming the POI was being a small food stand.

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ก่อนอื่นต้องเน้นนิดหนึ่งว่า OpenStreetMap เป็นแผนที่จริง ที่คนจริงใช้, ฉะนั้น ถ้าลองแก้สนุกๆ ทดสอบดูแล้ว ให้ปิดโดย *ไม่บันทึก* ก่อนที่จะเริ่มทำของจริงนะครับ

ตอนนี้ผมได้ย้อนการแก้ไขทดสอบของคุณออกไปให้แล้ว ด้วยชุดการเปลี่ยนแปลง 63955094 <changeset/63955094>.

ทีนี้ออกไปทำของจริงกันได้เลย, แต่ถ้าสงสัยอะไรก็มาว่ากันต่อได้ หรือไม่ก็ไปอ่านดูที่วิกิ <osm.wiki/>

ขอให้สนุกกับการเป็นช่างแผนที่สมัครเล่นครับ

Welcome to OpenStreetMap.

Before you continue, I must stress that OpenStreetMap is a real map that real people use. When you finished testing out an editor, exit *without saving*; before starting again for editing the real thing.

This test edit is now reverted as of changeset/63955094 <changeset/63955094>.

Now, go map the real thing. If you have questions, just ask, or consult the Wiki <osm.wiki/>.

Have fun being an amateur cartographer.

This changeset resulted in a _nonsensical_ rendering of Chakkrawat Ratchawat temple: the temple as whole is *NOT* supposed to be a road.

The temple: <way/241879486>
Screenshot: <https://u.cubeupload.com/xwindows/TC2iJM.png>

This part of the change (an addition of `highway` attribute to the temple area) is now reverted in changeset/63500519 <changeset/63500519>.

Screenshot (after revert): <https://u.cubeupload.com/xwindows/melrkn.png>

Anyway, when you see a road on imagery surrounding a feature, DO NOT mark the feature as road- because it's not. Create a new roadway surrounding outside (or lining inside) the feature instead.

And before you get any funny ideas, DO NOT just create a new "way" that simply go through the exact same "nodes" as the feature's wall either: doing this meant the road was constructed at the top that wall- a really rare occurence; which is very unlikely to apply in this case.

In any case, don't neglect to verify the result of your edit on the main Mapnik view on <osm.org/> after closing your changeset (wait several minutes after saving, then press Ctrl+F5 on your browser while browsing on the area).

Otherwise there will be a large chance of letting this kind of "gotchas" slip, burdening other /unpaid/ OSM contributors to fix your mistake.

P.S. I've looked at the Bing 2018, DigtalGlobe Premium, and DigitalGlobe standard imagery on the area; the temple outline by itself does not look like a road anyway. So, why did you make this attribute edit in the first place?

This changeset has been partially reverted in the area Suankularb Wittayalai Alumni Association, via changeset/63498913 <changeset/63498913>.

Reason: from on-field observation, driveway 621976781 obviously does not go through the back wall of the association; and the allegedly straight dangling northward segment of the driveway is simply inaccurate- it is not straight, and it do connect to the road- lining to the east side of parking area.

This is actually a duplicate POI of <way/178329973>, but I have added the Spanish name to it due to your edit. Thanks for participating.

Duly noted. For this intersection, the concern is now addressed in changeset/63312065 <changeset/63312065>.

Anyway, does this also apply to node-based intersection, where intersection a node on the road itself? (Like this one: <node/373455280>)

P.S. `highway=junction` is a thing I originally just picked from some existing (node-based) intersection on the map few years back when I didn't know how to map it yet. Some time later, I realized it wasn't documented on the Wiki, but I kept adding them anyway.

> I tried checking the boundaries of 7 eleven

Which tool you used for checking the history again?

Since what you did was moving nodes (not adding or removing node to/from the way); checking history of the "way" won't do. You need to check history of each "node" that I pointed out in my last comment.

I used the node history page on openstreetmap.org, and it is quite obvious that this edit (attributed to you) affected the nodes' position. Screenshots below, red emphases are mine:

<https://u.cubeupload.com/xwindows/8wqgyN.png>
<https://u.cubeupload.com/xwindows/LhghfP.png>
<https://u.cubeupload.com/xwindows/kidDZz.png>
<https://u.cubeupload.com/xwindows/1RrBoP.png>
<https://u.cubeupload.com/xwindows/DrH0n8.png>

> and the nodes of POIs.

This is correct, and the lack of said edits is a part of the problem I was speaking about in the second-to-last paragraph of my last comment.

> Kindly take time to suggest how I go ahead and fix this issue

No need, I have gone in and manually re-synchronized the local position of 7-Eleven relative to these POIs, then re-aligned global position of the group to the Bing 2018 imagery. This part is resolved in the changeset/63278653 <changeset/63278653>.

There are more wrong things with this changeset in Samsen 9 drive alone; but they are not as critical as this one. So I will manually re-verify and correct each of them when I have time.

Lastly, I would have to point out that on OSM, data from local survey are always preferred over data from imagery-based mapping. And don't realign objects solely because they are slightly shifted from the imagery (they always do). Local coherency are far more important.

Also see <osm.wiki/Armchair_mapping#Disadvantages_and_controversy> again, especially point 4 in this case.

Let me repeat a part of my comment I said earlier:

> another thing that's not making sense about this edit is how *it modified the outline of 7-Eleven*

I said that "problem" about this part of the edit is the move of each node of /the store/. Affected nodes are listed below:

<node/5412714633>
<node/5156586984>
<node/5412714629>
<node/5412714630>
<node/5412714626>

And from your statement:

> For node links mentioned. icons representing map features, we didn't make any changes.

That is exactly the problem. Those features are tied (literally) to the walls of 7-Eleven, despite that fact that they are outside. (If you visited the store personally, you would have known better) Moving the outline of 7-Eleven /without/ moving those POIs along with it broke local consistency, flipping outside things inside, shifting things at corners to the side wall. These are wrong.

If you also moved the ATMs, scale, and the top up kiosk along with each corner of the store, preserving their relative position, I wouldn't have complained about this part of the edit.

But you didn't, so here we are.

Regarding satellite-based mapping and data precedence, see: <osm.wiki/Armchair_mapping#Imagery_can_be_wrong>

And also <osm.wiki/Armchair_mapping#Disadvantages_and_controversy>.

Anyway, another thing that's not making sense about this edit is how it modified the outline of 7-Eleven <way/561319303> next to Samsen 9 drive and the driveway, which badly interacted with small features around them:

- 7-Eleven and the nearby Double A copy center <way/531706846> are supposed to be at an (more-or-less) equal distance from the midline of Samsen 9 drive.
- A Krotron scale <node/5412714632> is supposed to be a bit (~1 ft) eastward of the north-east corner of 7-Eleven.
- A Boonterm mobile top-up kiosk <node/5412714627> is supposed to be a bit (~1 ft) nothward of the east corner of 7-Eleven.
- A Bangkok Bank ATM <node/5412714628> is supposed to be a bit eastward (~1ft) of the east side of 7-Eleven.
- A Siam Commercial Bank ATM <node/5412714631> is supposed to line up with the Bangkok Bank ATM, parallel to the road.
- The bus stop <node/4770201770> is supposed to be nearer to the road than any of these features. (Actually, it is ~1 ft from the _edge_ of the road)

And all of them are /outside/ (NOT inside) of 7-Eleven. These details are all added from in-person ground survey, and most of them were also re-verified yesterday that they were what I just described.

Moving features to align them to (a newer) satellite image is not wrong in and unto itself. But in any case, always make sure to preserve local consistency in what you edit; otherwise there's no telling how many contributors' work that you have broken in the process.

This is especially important when you didn't walk up there to verify them in-person.

Is a driveway connecting Musical Association of Thailand really supposed to be pointing to nowhere in the south?
<way/531187839>

Shouldn't it be directly connected to Samsen road, passing the gate?

Note: I have re-verified this in-person yesterday: on the ground, this driveway connection is still looking the same as the day I originally authored changeset/52750735 <changeset/52750735>.

Does this actually present permanent bus station or an on-ground bus stop? Because I have walked pass this point about a week ago, and did not notice anything resembling a bus station; save for a disused BMTA bus stop, which is described so on the OSM.

<osm.wiki/Verifiability>

I have been regularly walking pass this coordinate along the west side of Bowonniwet temple for several months now (at night time), and yet I could only spot the regular BMTA bus stop and a small 30 km/h speed limit sign around there.

Is this intended for representing a ground-visible bus stop or terminus for Giant Ibis service? If it is, what shape or color should I look for, and does it appear only in a specific time of day?

Thank you.

P.S. Note that an actual Giant Ibis Transport office is mapped as a travel agent shop on Tanao road, ~60 m down south.
<osm.org/?mlat=13.75952&mlon=100.49910&zoom=19>

Hello there, welcome to OpenStreetMap.

This edit of yours in the area between Samsen 11 and Samsen 13 drive looks like a humorous test on capability of OpenStreetMap editing: fictional roads lined to form a phrase "Quloro King of Cheat".

Is it possible that you accidentally saved some test edits, Or that someone else have been using your account? I'd be glad if you could review and undo them. If you need help with that, just reply to this message.

P.S. For what's allowed V.S not allowed on OpenStreetMap, see: osm.org/welcome

Isn't the correct location of Wat Ratchanaddaram around 600m to the east?

way/103022363#map=18/13.75485/100.50427