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171855820 4 months ago

Again when you accuse people of lying or decieving, you are doing nothing to solve the issue, but make it worse.

I have asked you to come to PM, you have not messaged. This is a town. Youc an argue about its classification but you are being obnoxious by name calling and just evidently not trying to understand the underlying issue.

171855820 4 months ago

Also it has a Wikidata tag, so you cannot remove the node because it affects Wikimedia sites as well.

171855820 4 months ago

Alternatively, I will bring in a mediator to solve this. But, the current edits remain, because it adds information whereas you are attempting to remove them.

171855820 4 months ago

What will certainly not happen is you attempting to call other users dishonest, and think that you can bully your way through it.

171855820 4 months ago

You can either send me a PM about this, or we keep having this exchange, and I will continue to restore my edits. You have no basis. You are basing this on your own opinions, not on Ground sources which is what OSM is built up.

171331449 4 months ago

Makkah is known for Masjid al-Haram.

171331449 4 months ago

Makkah IS a city.

171256012 4 months ago

In that same way, this is a highway that links two major towns – Kartarpur and Dera Baba Nanak.

You should bear this in mind that Guru Nanak Highway links to a Primary road on one side, and it links to a G.T Road on the other. The road that links the other two cannot be a "service road".

171256012 4 months ago

Yes, I understand that the road was built recently, but it was not built as a service road, but as a highway. They built this highway with the possibility that there might be two-way traffic.

If you look at the original models of the complex, there were supposed to be two border terminals, and pilgrims from India have a seperate car parks so that they can drive all way to the Kartarpur Corridor.

The highway has been built. The road access doesn't affect the road classification. That is the ground situation. Tomorrow they could state that it is a fully-fledged border crossing, but it would still be the same highway. The road didn't change.

You don't change the roads, just because of politics, because politics changes all the time.

You stated the news about the Ukraine-Russian borders, yet what you fail to realise is that the highways are still classified as highways.

171256325 4 months ago

I can somewhat understand that other Indo-Pak crossings should typically have their access set to no, but on this particular crossing, I do think there should be full access. However, the road classifications shouldn't just change due to geopolitics.

171256325 4 months ago

I didn't see the response for that, so I do appreciate it.

In regards to the navigation, OSM is an offline map. It's up to the users to actually check the political situation and see whether borders are open or not. Otherwise, can go all the way to the gate, on the road that is known as. GT Road.

If you look at any Ukraine-Russia border (such as the one at 50.335699, 36.282708), the road classification is still a highway, however the road access has been set to no.

If a foreign tourist can drive from Europe to India, through Pakistan, through the Wagah border and OSM Maps or any of the navigation models should be able to display that route.

171256012 4 months ago

And it is certainly not just a service road. Pakistanis have been alllowed to go to the border and back. Pedestrians have been to walk from the border to the complex and back.

171256012 4 months ago

The Kartarpur Corridor DOES connect the two towns. It does not matter who is allowed to travel or not, the can be specificed in the notes or the road access can be specificed.

One example being the Russo-Ukraine border highways - which are obviously defunct and crossings no longer take place, however they are still classified as Grand Trunk Roads. This, albeit, is not a grand trunk road, it is a primary/secondary road.

Like I said - it is called "Guru Nanak Highway" for a reason. I see that you've also changed the road classification on the Indian side - which again, I have no idea why because it only seems to be of your opinon.

171256012 4 months ago

One, the population is from 2017 and if I remember exactly was under the Narowal district. I could be wrong, but that doesn't really change the situation. The Gurudwara and the bazaar and housing complex are all in a town called Kartarpur. It's nonsensical to not have a town node here.

Again, you need to think of the consequences of removing the node, the area becomes unsearchable, because while you can search Kartarpur and it might redirect you with the Gurudwara - the Gurudwara is a POI, not an area.

Wikipedia and Wikidata also have articles on it, so I don't really see what standing you have here.

171256325 4 months ago

It isn't emotions though. OSM works on on the ground situation - and the ground situation is that cars can go through the spectator side. I have also crossed this border myself - motorbikes cross the gate and then take a right from the X-ray side, whereas cars go straight onto the roundabout.

On top of several borders around the world are closed, but that hasn't affected their road classification on OSM, the same applies here.

One thing I don't understand is that, if you know that people can cross borders from here, regardless of how light the traffic is why you would still change it to a footpath.

This affects the navigation systems and their maps that rely on OSM, like TomTom and Apple Maps, to name a few. This is G T Road and needs to remain as such.

171256650 4 months ago

See the following videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utjXTssUaqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LnYZdcOT5o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3k4rS6vdkE

171256650 4 months ago

Road crosses do take place from the spectator seating. Cars and Motorcycles have crossed, even after 2019.

171256325 4 months ago

RLakhani, please behave with your border edits. The political situation doesn't change the status of a road.

171256012 4 months ago

The name of the road is literally "شاہراہِ گرو نانک" / "Guru Nanak Highway"- it cannot be a service road in any sense.

171256012 4 months ago

Brother can you please have the decency to leave comments before making edits? I have done this several times, and you have not responded. This is not a one-way street. Let's discuss.

The entire area is known as Kartarpur, it is a town. It doesn't matter whether the centre is a Gurudwara or not. Kartarpur is an official locality, and so there needs to be a town marker. It is a town on local maps, and on other online maps, and government maps. I am re-adding it. Do not remove it. This might be a simple change for you, but it affects other maps as well, so discuss this.

2. What requirements? It is a road that connects two major towns - Kartarpur and Dera Baba Nanak. That's like saying the G.T Road is a service road.

Let's be logical about this.