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126834994 about 3 years ago

Thanks for the thorough explanation. It isn't a huge pipe, I agree. Was just curious where you got the info and what source since there wasn't any provided.

Very likely the pipes were left untouched underground unless they were building basements, which I don't think those houses have, but I digress. Removing underground pipelines would be prohibitively expensive.

Thanks for clarifying the source. Keep up the good work.

129167249 about 3 years ago

I want to apologize. In looking at this more in depth with another mapped, it appears the segment in question was added a long time ago, so I shouldn't have jumped on it, but it appears that it should be cleaned up regardless, since it doesn't appear to exist anymore.

The spurs you added I can confirm exist and they look well mapped.

Before I go ahead and clean up the railways to match what is currently there now, I wanted to get your concurrence that some segments definitely don't exist anymore.

129167249 about 3 years ago

Is there a reason for adding "abandoned" railways that clearly don't exist everywhere where you added it? There is definitely no railway going through the buildings in Pokeville and across most of those highways (I-81 and NY-41).

The wiki states:
"A tag to map former railways, where the rails have been removed but the route is still visible with ties/sleepers, signals or other railroad right of way signs or infrastructure."

Source:
railway=abandoned

There are definitely no ties/sleepers or signals where there are buildings, parking lots and roads.

I'm curious as to why you are continuing to map things that have no ground-truth and can not be verified with even an extensive ground survey (such as across the parking lots and buildings) which have long replaced what *may* have been a railway at some point, but definitely not anymore.

If it is for "historical" reasons, it would probably be best to add it to OpenHistoricalMaps, rather than OpenStreetMaps where it supposed to be what exists "today". You can find more about OHM at:
osm.wiki/Open_Historical_Map

129546279 about 3 years ago

Definitely no railway here across these buildings or roadway. There are no ties, sleepers, signals or other objects that would indicate the railway is "abandoned" or "razed". It simply does not exist (not to say it didn't at one point in time).

There are buildings, roadway and parking lots here. There are no abandoned objects from the railway.

Per the OSM wiki:
railway=abandoned

"A tag to map former railways, where the rails have been removed but the route is still visible with ties/sleepers, signals or other railroad right of way signs or infrastructure."

129546124 about 3 years ago

Definitely no railway here across these buildings or roadway. There are no ties, sleepers, signals or other objects that would indicate the railway is "abandoned" or "razed". It simply does not exist (not to say it didn't at one point in time).

There are buildings, roadway and parking lots here. There are no abandoned objects from the railway.

Per the OSM wiki:
railway=abandoned

"A tag to map former railways, where the rails have been removed but the route is still visible with ties/sleepers, signals or other railroad right of way signs or infrastructure."

129546001 about 3 years ago

There are no rails across this roadway. A local survey was done and there are no rails or sleepers across this stretch of railway that would meet the definition of "abandoned" or "razed". They have long been overbuilt and replaced. Along with the trees that used to be here way back when and perhaps the original dirt trails.

129545867 about 3 years ago

Each segment was examined using aerial imagery and other available tools. There is no trace remaining that would meet the definition of "abandoned" or "razed" IAW the wiki pages. There are no rails, ties, signals or other remants. They segments have long been overbuilt by buildings, roads, highways and parking lot. There are no railways going across the freeway.

126834994 about 3 years ago

What source did you use? I don't see any listed. I doubt that there is a major gas pipeline going under a bunch of houses. For example:

way/1099411682

Specifically in this area:
osm.org/#map=17/29.95129/-97.89280

Other than aerial imagery and a ground survey (unlikely), how do you know that there is a pipeline exactly there?

Thanks.

100446360 about 3 years ago

You can use "Q" to square the buildings online. The pool outline is not correct and I have corrected it.

129462046 about 3 years ago

All segments removed have been long replaced by buildings, roadways or farmland where there are no ties, rails, wires or other remnants from the railway that *may* have existed.

Farmland that is being actively plowed and growing crops would not have any railway components that can meet the definition for "abandoned" or "razed" which require something along the lines of sleepers, rails or wires, none of which these "abandoned" railway contained.

57542729 about 3 years ago

FYI, the street numbers should not be placed in the name field. I have gone ahead and corrected it. :)

129426467 about 3 years ago

These segments were completely overbuilt and replaced by buildings, farmland or roadways, thus no trace of any "abandoned" or "razed" railway exists.

129419121 about 3 years ago

All segments removed were completely replaced by buildings, roadways, parking lots and farmland. None of which have any remants such as signals, sleepers, rails, etc. that would satisfy the requirement for "abandoned" or "razed". It does not exist today.

If it was added for "historical" purposes, it should be on OHM, not OSM.

129388193 about 3 years ago

:( That sucks!

129388193 about 3 years ago

Should be complete. I used the revertUI thingy.

Let me know if/when your changeset executes then I will revert my revert. :D

129388193 about 3 years ago

I appreciate your support and completely understand with touching so many things. Let me see what I can do to undo it and then reapply.

I don't use JOSM, only ID and some other pages, so it might be tricky. Will get back to you here.

129415044 about 3 years ago

Each segment was individually examined. They have long been completely overbuilt and replaced by buildings or roadways where there are absolutely no sleepers, rails or other components to suggest there is an "abandoned" or "razed" railway. There is absolutely no trace left on the ground based on clear aerial imagery.

129394550 about 3 years ago

Correction: removed railway since there is no presence on the ground - it has all been removed. Each segment was examined in aerial imagery. With nothing on the ground, it does not meet the definition for "abandoned" or "razed" which means there is at least something left. This should probably be moved to OHM for historical purposes rather than OSM which is only what is presently on the ground.

129388376 about 3 years ago

The railways were completely overbuilt and replaced with buildings and/or parking lots which do not have any rails, sleepers or other items for a railway, thus not meeting the definition of "abanonded" or "razed". The features simply do not exist today (which is what OSM is supposed to map).

129388193 about 3 years ago

Each segment removed has long been built over by buildings and roadways, leaving absolutely no trace. These railways do not exist here. There is no remains (such as sleepers, rails, etc.) that would indicate a railway exists here in order to meet the definition of "abandoned" or "razed".