If I am to ask a newcomer to map a bus stop on OSM I am pretty confident that they would find highway=bus_stop a more obvious tag than the public transport schema.

Why is a bus stop something that has to be easy for newcomers to tag? Most of them don’t change and you need a more experienced mapper for the routes anyway.

Apart from that what do you think newcomers map more often: Bus Stops or opening hours? Why Am I asking? Because of this diary from today about mistakes with opening hours… how many can actually map those without reading through the Wiki.

Having a common mechanism for tagging a concept of place where one waits for a public transport service

Then why are 90% of the bus_stop tags here on/in the road and not at the platform where people wait?

What we need are concepts which sit most comfortably with the implicit classifications which people use. Most of us treat bus/tram stops, railway platforms, airport gates, and taxi ranks as distinct.

Then where is tram_stop? (Oh I just found it in the railway section. Great now I would have to read that when i start tagging the trams) Where is subway_stop? Also railway halt translates into all kind of things in German and the wiki even suggests merging it with tram_stop. When I have stop_position bus=yes, tram=yes etc. I at lest know that I just have to find the right ???=yes tag or leave it to the next guy, but I can always set the stop tag.

Look at a city like Munich: Straßenbahn(tram), U-Bahn(subway), S-Bahn(light rail - a translation which btw. nobody knows) and Eisenbahn(raiload).

So what is easier now: Setting a default public_transport=stop_position or figuring out if it is railroad/tram=stop/halt/tram_stop in the first place? Is there maybe a railway=subway_stop? Not to mention that trams often share stops with buses. 2 nodes? bus_stop with tram=yes? railroad_tram_stop with bus=yes?

These implicit classifications might be great as long as they work, but become a nightmare when the “lock-and-key principle” fails.

In other words if highway=bus_stop had not existed before the public transport schema, I’m sure that it or something very similar would have been invented anyway.

I doubt it. More experienced mappers would simple remove every redundant tag and overall as I said those stops are very limited and among the first things that were mapped.

flawed

Could you elaborate that? So far the only problem I have found was the station tag, but that has nothing to do with highway=bus_stop, but rather with amenity=bus_station and railway=station.

way too complicated.

Set a public_transport=stop_position on the street, a public_transport=platform where the people are waiting and put them in a stop_area relation. The only thing I found complicated were all the inconsistencies, because this highway tag still shows up everywhere.

Yes it’s more complicated than highway=bus_stop, but also covers a lot more. highway=bus_stop itself is already inconsistent, so while it’s a lot easier you don’t even know if it’s a stop position or platform.

Also a lot of things in OpenStreetMap are complicated, but most multipolygons cause me much more headaches than this simple relation.

Leider lassen sich solche Eintragungen nur mit Ortskenntnis korrigieren.

Naja meistens gibt es doch eine Homepage mit Öffnungszeiten. Meistens ist dann ja schon klar, was gemeint war.

For my second round of adding features, I walked around campus and recorded ever fire hydrant, informational sign (gardens, welcome maps etc), and set of trash bins I could find. The resulting field map was used as a reference when digitizing these features.

You have to use the correct tags in order for the POIs to show up on the map and be recognized by any software.

Don’t name them - osm.wiki/Names

The names should be restricted to the name of the item in question only and should not include categories, types, descriptions, addresses or notes. If something really doesn’t have a name, don’t add one to OpenStreetMap.

emergency=fire_hydrant

amenity=waste_basket

Das sind Fehler, die jOSM (ka, wie das bei iD&Co ist) vor dem hochladen anmeckert.

ID meckert NIE rum. Er sagt die nur mal du hast einen untagged way, aber das ist dann auch schon alles.

tl:dr Tragt Öfnnungszeiten nach Schema ein und informiert Euch im Wiki!

Ich vermute das miderstens 2/3 dieser Edits auf User zurückgehen die einfach nur mal einen POI im ID adden bzw. irgendeine App benutzen und nicht ins Wiki schauen.

Da hilft wie du schon sagst nur ein Bot oder man markiert es auf einer map wie keepright und hofft auf die Community.

Falls du es nicht schon benutzt: Ich empfehle JOSM + http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Plugin/HouseNumberTaggingTool

Backlink Spam. See Profile.

Backlink Spam. See profile.

http://switch2osm.org/case-studies/

Would be a good place for that.

The Wheelmap […] Woulnd’t people using this data on Google maps mean more people with an interest to maintain and improve it on OpenStreetMap since they would know that adding data to OpenStreetMap means adding it to all the maps in the world?

I doubt it. Most people would use the app and never even realize OpenStreetMap is behind it, if they even use the WheelMap app and not just Googles own app, because it’s at the moment still superior when it comes to routing and searching for locations/POIs. A lot of people didn’t even know google was behind youtube until it required a g+ account.

OpenStreetMap’s opportunity is not to compete and win against the Google Maps of the world

For me personally it’s actually a significant motivation. Google already has several almost monopolies and at least OSM offers a realistic alternative maps, maybe not win, but at least be a viable choice.

OpenStreetMap simply won’t matter if it doesn’t power the applications that millions of individuals use to search, navigate and contextualize each day.

As we like to say in Germany: Kleinvieh macht auch Mist. (≈Many a little makes a mickle)

OpenStreetMap does not need to become the default map. If it is used on thousands of small apps, because the key=value system is superior to using google maps in combination with a database then that we be just as or maybe even more valuable as being the default map. And I think people are more likely to contribute to such small apps, because they usually have a interest in what those are about.

Overall I think you are overestimating the amount of people who would realize OpenStreetMap is running in the back of an application and then start contributing. And why aren’t people out in droves and using the Google Map Maker contributing to the map they use all the time?

I addition it’s a map we are talking about. At some point most of the basic things will be mapped sooner or later. I spend weeks to finish my village, but now it is done and will maybe require a few minutes of upkeep every month if at all. Yes, maybe we could accelerate the process a bit with opening up, but sooner or later OpenStreetMap will reach the goal of being “almost” complete and just reacting to new changes anyway. And long before that time it will already be a viablefor most applications.

PS Does anyone know how to find who’s making the most recent changes in your area? I’d love to meet some other local OSM’ers!

http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/

Conclusion: Having a contest to make the most “edits” does risk people going for questionable things that touch a lot of ways.

First thing I expected when reading about the contest :/

It also means that unless you are 100% committed you stand no chance.

I think contests around OpenStreetMap should rather be based on making a few edits over a certain time frame (make 5 edits every day for a week) and then you pick a winner out of all who managed to do that. This would also get a lot more people started with OSM.

Maybe you could also base it around a Quality Assurance like a bet in Germany Or you limit it to a certain tag for example opening hours added to shops.

Have you checked out http://wheelmap.org/en/?

Might be useful when mapping and on the move.

the problem is mostly about detecting the spam rather than removing it.

There is a whole Wiki Page full with links to Spam Profiles.

If automatically detecting it’s so easy then I look forward to seeing the code, as I’m sure does the author of every blogging platform in the world.

Well, I think one automated mechanism that would work (if it is possible to code) is that you need a certain amount of edits to publish a diary and otherwise you can’t or it will need mod approval. (Maybe even require that for links in user descriptions, so it just displays the text for new accounts).

Obviously you can’t automoderate links, my point was just that you usually don’t need to understand the language to see if a link is spam or not.

Sometimes spammers post platitudes as diary comments trying to link back.

It’s pretty much the case 95% of the time, which is why it should no be that complicated to detect the spam even if it is in a different language. I mean there is really no good reason why a diary should link to some polish furniture store and if in doubt you can still check the profile it usually always has zero map edits.

Could you somehow add a system that requires an account to have a certain age and/or a few edits? Or maybe a report button?

SPAM

Stuff like this has no place in OpenStreetMap. Applications using the map should add that information if seems useful for their purpose.

SPAM

Mh…k.