Talk:Tag:man made=torii

merging under arch

I'm curious, could we not better merge this and a few other options also in use, all under man_made=arch, then specify arch=* ? I'm referring to Eastern cultures' archs, like what Wikipedia on Torii lists as similar:

• Hongsalmun, in Korean architecture with both religious and other usage
• Iljumun, portal in Korean temple architecture
• Mon (architecture)
• Paifang, in Chinese temple architecture
• Tam quan, in Vietnamese temple architecture
• Torana, in Hindu-Buddhist Indian-origin also found in Southeast Asia and East Asia

this would allow us request one rendering, to just recognize man_made=arch, and keep more variety to the values for the arch=* part.

btw: Torana/Torii appearing to have the same root as Door, it would be reasonable to bring them under the same tag.

other options I have met have no asssociation to Eastern societies, but quite similarly represent a point where you enter a different environment, think of the "gate to the desert" in Morocco (Errissani), or the gates to Chinatown all over the world. again other option: the ancient Roman Arcs of Triumph, scattered all over the Mediterranean, and Roman Europe. This would prevent mappers fall back to misusing 'historic=city_gate' for these constructions. Mariotomo (talk) 22:39, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Tag:man_made=hongsalmun is in use already for mentioned Hongsalmun Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 03:17, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Besides pai fong, there is pai lau. It is more elaborate than an arch, with a significant superstructure on top. They are not limited to temples (even not mainly found in temples from my impression), used in everything to commemorate and mark a gateway. --- Kovposch (talk) 10:56, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Pingback / context: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/how-to-tag-an-arch-symbolising-entry-to-area/2273 --- Kovposch (talk) 10:50, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I wrote the following article while worrying about what could be the cause of this problem. I’d like to hear other people’s opinions.

Isn’t the OSM tagging scheme is too difficult? --깨몽/dreamy (talk) 04:36, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Equivalent for 山門 (Sanmon), 仁王門 (Niōmon) / 金剛力士門 (Kongōrikishi-mon), 総門 (Sōmon), 中門 (Chūmon)

Sanmon/etc are very common in Japan buddhist temples, but they are definitely not torii.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanmon

How should I tag them?

Sisikottos (talk) 12:38, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Since man_made=torii, man_made=hongsalmun, man_made=paifang, man_made=iljumun are tagged with special tags, I think you could simply use man_made=sanmon (1314601967 1314601967). Personally I would tag all these "mon" as gates barrier=gate + gate:type=sanmon or gate=sanmon (3779089036 3779089036). Or barrier=gate + man_made=sanmon. --Chris2map (talk) 16:24, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

In fact, there's quite a bit of overlap in meaning between 山門, paifang, hongsalmun, and torii, depending on their origins.

However, 山門 is a gate and a building with walls, whereas paifang, hongsalmun, and torii are structures without walls, and even though people pass under them, they have little role as gates and more as symbols.

Therefore, unless there is an agreed tag for '山門', we believe that '山門' should be considered a building. (I think it's also similar to a gatehouse in western culture, which is a building with a door that serves the purpose of controlling access).

In addition, I think it's hard to see '山門' as just a gate because although it is a gate with a door, it's hard to say that's its main purpose, and it has a space (inside the building) and many accessories, so I think it's fair to see it as a building. --깨몽/dreamy (talk) 02:10, 21 April 2025 (UTC)