Talk:Key:shelter

Should this tag be used only if there is a shelter? Or will it make sense to have shelter=no in some places? The description says "This tag is in use to tell if a highway=bus_stop has a shelter or not. Values: shelter=yes." I guess we should change the description so that it says "Values: shelter=yes/no" or we remove "or not" in the first sentence: "This tag is in use to tell if a highway=bus_stop has a shelter or not ." /FredN

Just had the same question.. I personally decided to tag shelter=no to indicate that it was surveyed not to have a shelter. It's quite common in my area that bus stops have a shelter only on one side (or none at all). However I don't know how/whether any tools are parsing this. --Athalis (talk) 09:53, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

shelter=separate

Why shelter=separate was added? After all, if highway=bus_stop with shelter=yes has no amenity=shelter on its node, then it is trivial to detect nearby mapped amenity=shelter.

Why mapper is supposed to manually handled what is simple to automate by data consumers?

Is adding shelter=separate value to a clear yes/no tag based on some discussion?

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 22:03, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

If shelter=yes is mapped, it appears as two shelters in statistics. One cannot be sure that a nearby amenity=shelter belongs to this stop. Especially when multiple stops are close to each other. Or the Belgian scenario: there is a stop at both sides of the road, but only one has a shelter because it's easy to cross the road and wait there.

What cut-off distance would you take? Every data consumer would do it differently.

I never mapped shelter=yes because it was duplicate. After I discovered shelter=separate I am not afraid any more. shelter=separate was already in use, I documented it on the wiki. —M!dgard [ talk ] 10:33, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

"I never mapped shelter=yes because it was duplicate" - it is not a duplicate. It is not marking a shelter, it is marking that this bus stop has a shelter Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:37, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

"here is a stop at both sides of the road, but only one has a shelter because it's easy to cross the road and wait there" - then one has shelter=no and one shelter=yes. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:37, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

"it appears as two shelters in statistics" - only in badly madly ones. Similarly, one may incorrectly count also shelter=separate Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:37, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

I started tagging mailing list thread (Tagging mailing list complaining about shelter=separate and asking about meaning of shelter=yes) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

After letting it rest for a while I see you're right, just documenting that yes can also mean there's a node nearby is enough. —M!dgard [ talk ] 16:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

To ""I never mapped shelter=yes because it was duplicate" - it is not a duplicate. It is not marking a shelter, it is marking that this bus stop has a shelter" – basically, you're right – but we have to be a bit careful that this perspective doesn't spread to other tags – in the sense of, I imagine it like that cycleway=track on a street is not marking a cycleway itself, it is marking that a road has a cycleway (in form of a track). With some of the double tagging that I see here and there some times, you could almost think so :D--Lukas458 (talk) 21:16, 25 March 2023 (UTC)