Talk:Key:service times
Language tagging?
I think it would be good to be able to distinguish between different language services in the same religious building. On https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/56206112 I have used service_times:ar and service_times:ja for services in Arabic and Japanese along with plain service_times for the main (in this case French-language) services appropriate for the region. --Gpvos (talk) 13:15, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
Examples & Proper Usage
It would be nice if this could include more examples and further discussion of proper usage. For example, often there is a need to input multiple services on the same day. What is the proper syntax for that? It appears that the common practice currently is to simple use a comma and no space (e.g. Su 09:00,10:30). Also, from the taginfo page, it appears that most people are not using a space but an underscore between the day and the time (e.g. Su_09:00). Is that correct? If so, what if you have multiple services should you use an underscore for each time or just one per day (e.g. Su_09:00,10:30 or Su_09:00,_10:30)? --MRPockets (talk) 04:39, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
- There's a lot of examples if you follow the link under #Tagging Syntax to Key:opening_hours. Comma without space is fine, it means exactly the same as comma with space; choose what you think is clearer. Underscores are not accepted syntax as far as I know. On the taginfo page I don't see any underscores; in the "Su␣10:00" shown there, the "␣" signifies a space character. Gpvos (talk) 10:10, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Religious services
Is it established/documented somewhere what should be tagged in service_times in case of church having various services, not only Mass?
For example adoration/vespers etc
There is https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/service_times%3Amass but used 2 times worldwide Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:47, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell,
service_times=*is undifferentiated: any kind of service counts. There is some usage of "quoted descriptions", which is allowed by theopening_hours=*syntax, as well as subkeys. But I think it would be challenging to document all the possible subkeys, because every religion and denomination has distinct kinds of services. – Minh Nguyễn 💬 09:58, 19 April 2021 (UTC)- Yes, innventing all possible subkeys before they are in use seems pointless, there is too much of potential variations - and hard to predict what will be actually tagged... Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:28, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Muslim prayer times
This leads on from Mateusz's query about types of service.
When tagging mosques, there's a need to express which of the five daily services are held at a mosque. I've previously tagged a mosque
service_times= fajr; zhuhr; asr; maghrib; isha
(ie, this mosque has prayers at all five service times)
...but this was reverted by someone who said it didn't fit the syntax. I've written up my thoughts on my ideas page.
Since I wrote that piece I'm wondering if we actually need a wholly new tag. Eg, services=* which would give us services= fajr; maghrib; isha for a mosque that is not open during working hours (common in the UK).
Or if better, the tag could be prayers=, jamaats=, salah=, awqat=, etc - whatever gets general acceptance.
(There'd still be the question of how to code the clock times, since those are dependent on the length of the solar day, but that's downstream.)
I wonder if User:Mateusz Konieczny or User:Minh Nguyen you have any thoughts?
eteb3 (talk) 16:36, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- "this was reverted by someone who said it didn't fit the syntax." I would say that they should have not done so - at least put it into description, note or fixme Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:32, 1 August 2025 (UTC)