Talk:Key:ref:NVRID/Archive 1

Overpass 2eH9

What is the point of listing https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2eH9 query in this article? In which way linking this specific query is useful? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:07, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914445 Tobias Conradi (talk) 12:31, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

This does not answer my question at all Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:47, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Why not? Tobias Conradi (talk) 19:11, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Because it does not answer how lst:ref is related to ref:SE:nvrid - and what is the significance of this specific pattern. It is also unclear how it is connected to your conflict with DWG and other OSM mappers and why you think that either should be prominently (or at all) mentioned on this page Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:39, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Reply:

1. "This does not answer my question at all" - "Why not?" - "Because it does not answer how lst:ref is related to ref:SE:nvrid" - Can you be more specific?
2. "It is also unclear how it is connected to your conflict with DWG and other OSM mappers" - Was a connection claimed?
3. "why you think that either should be prominently (or at all) mentioned on this page" - what does that have to do with "Overpass 2eH9"? Shouldn't a new section in the talk page be created if that is a new topic?

Tobias Conradi (talk) 21:06, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: removed as it is not clear why queries listing some lst:ref values are related to ref:SE:nvrid key Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:03, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Content removal

1. 11:05 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914373 by User:Mateusz Konieczny - Tobias Conradi (talk) 19:23, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
2. 11:11 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914387 by User:Mateusz Konieczny - Tobias Conradi (talk) 19:23, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
3. 17:44 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914567 by User:Mateusz Konieczny - Tobias Conradi (talk) 19:21, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
4. 17:55 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914571 by User:Mateusz Konieczny - Tobias Conradi (talk) 19:21, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I made this edits. Yes, I consider them to be right. If you have opinion on them please discuss them at [1] and [2] Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:40, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Why could undiscussed content removal be right? Tobias Conradi (talk) 21:12, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: questions from banned user do not need to be answered, and yes there are many cases where undiscussed content removal is 100% fine Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:04, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Removal of data table 2025-11-01 11:05

How could the 11:05 removal of the data table (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914373) be right and considered to be right by User:Mateusz Konieczny at 19:40 (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914611) when

1. 17:43 User:Mateusz Konieczny asked: "Should we store at wiki every single value ref:SE:nvrid / lst:diarienr / lst:ref appearing at wiki?" and in following text referred to Key:ref:SE:nvrid#Overpass_result_as_table (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wiki&diff=prev&oldid=2914566)
2. 18:26 User:Mateusz Konieczny's question got a reply from User:Nakaner containing: "There is one exception for storing OSM data in the wiki: To track mapping progress" (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wiki&diff=next&oldid=2914566)
3. 19:15 User:Tobias Conradi asked: 'Does "mapping" in "To track mapping progress" entail any work improving the OSM data?' (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wiki&diff=next&oldid=2914590)
4. 19:28 User:Mateusz Konieczny replied to User:Tobias Conradi's question: '"mapping" in context of OpenStreetMap wiki and this sentence is clearly related to improving the OSM data. Not sure what else it could mean?' (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wiki&diff=next&oldid=2914602)

Tobias Conradi (talk) 21:23, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: duplicate of section above, questions from banned user do not need to be answered Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:03, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Removal of Wfmessage 2025-11-01 17:44

How could the 17:44 removal of the Wfmessage:

More than 2000 NVRIDs are not stored in ref:SE:nvrid, the process was interrupted by a few users and a threat by Data Working Group

(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914567) be right and considered to be right by User:Mateusz Konieczny at 19:40 (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914611) when

1. no discussion regarding the removal took place prior to its removal.
2. the message is placed in the section "Conversion of different keys to ref:SE:nvrid"
3. the page Key:ref:SE:nvrid transparently
   1. documents the conversion and clean-up process
   2. remaining inconsistencies
   3. links to a discussion in the forum where the process was discussed (and User:Mateusz Konieczny suggested to invoke the Data Working Group)
   4. links to the threat made by the Data Working Group
4. 17:50 User:Mateusz Konieczny linked from the place where the threat was published (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/173907545) to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:ref:SE:nvrid&action=history

Tobias Conradi (talk) 21:33, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: questions from banned user do not need to be answered Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:05, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Removal of Overpass section 2025-11-01 17:55

How could the 17:55 removal of the Overpass section containing links and data for the three queries 2eH9, 2eHg, 2eHn (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914571) be right and considered to be right by User:Mateusz Konieczny at 19:40 (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914611) when

1. regarding https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2eH9
   1. 11:07 User:Mateusz Konieczny asked without section heading "What is the point of listing https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2eH9 query in this article? In which way linking this specific query is useful?" (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Key:ref:SE:nvrid&oldid=2914374)
   2. 12:31 User:Mateusz Konieczny's question was put into a section named "Overpass 2eH9" and replied to by User:Tobias Conradi "https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914446" (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=prev&oldid=2914446)
   3. 17:47 User:Mateusz Konieczny claimed "This does not answer my question at all" without providing evidence (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=next&oldid=2914446)
   4. 19:11 User:Mateusz Konieczny's claim was replied to replied to by User:Tobias Conradi: Why not? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Key:ref:SE:nvrid&diff=next&oldid=2914569
   5. 19:39 User:Tobias Conradi's question was replied to by User:Mateusz Konieczny: "Because it does not answer how lst:ref is related to ref:SE:nvrid - and what is the significance of this specific pattern. It is also unclear how it is connected to your conflict with DWG and other OSM mappers and why you think that either should be prominently (or at all) mentioned on this page"
2. regarding https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2eHg - no discussion was initiated
3. regarding https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2eHn - no discussion was initiated

? Tobias Conradi (talk) 23:15, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: questions from banned user do not need to be answered Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:04, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Off talk page discussion about page

Talk:Wiki#Should_we_store_at_wiki_every_single_value_ref:SE:nvrid_/_lst:diarienr_/_lst:ref_appearing_at_wiki? - started by User:Mateusz Konieczny Tobias Conradi (talk) 19:17, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Resolved: linked discussion is now archived after Tobias Conradi got banned Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:07, 3 November 2025 (UTC)