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The Ukrainian community is concerned about the possible negative impact on the project as a whole, the emergence of lawsuits from users of data and the subsequent decline of the project, and therefore restores the borders of Ukraine to the internationally recognized status. The recent decision of DWG ( https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes/DWG_2018-11-14_Crimea ) neglects the wide recognition of Crimea as an integral part of Ukraine expressed by numerous governments and international organizations (in particular, UN General Assembly Resolution 68/262 http://www.un.org/en/ga/68/resolutions.shtml / https://undocs.org/en/A/RES/68/262 ). DWG actions directed to cut off Crimea from the borders of Ukraine are considered to be inadequate to the interests of the project and are not recognized by law. Any blockages (bans) aimed against members who restored the border of Ukraine to the widely internationally recognized status will be seen as unjustified pressure on the entire community and usurpation of power in the OSM.

P.S.

“changing names or country information would require consensus from both the Ukrainian and Russian communities. It is unlikely that any such edit proposals will be able to achieve this.” (с) DWG //

Moreover, according to clause 4, a consensus should be reached between the Ukrainian and Russian communities on changing information about countries. There is no consensus - there is no reason to separate the Crimea from Ukraine.

CrimeaІsUkraine #DWG #CrimeaMap #КримЦеУкраїна #ИхТамНет

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@velmyshanovnyi - osm.org/user_blocks/2360 ;

@velmyshanovnyi - osm.org/user_blocks/2359 ;

@andergrin - osm.org/user_blocks/2358 ;

@Дівчина_з_Коломиї - osm.org/user_blocks/2357 ;

@паляниця - osm.org/user_blocks/2356 ;

@frankoivan - osm.org/user_blocks/2355 ;

@pumpkinpie226 - osm.org/user_blocks/2354 ;

@Хтосьіншийдятел - osm.org/user_blocks/2353 ;

@ue0 - osm.org/user_blocks/2350 ;

@andergrin - osm.org/user_blocks/2348 ;

@KKS - osm.org/user_blocks/2347 ;

…and other

https://www.facebook.com/openstreetmapua // https://twitter.com/osm_ua // https://t.me/osmUA // [email protected]

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Discussion

Comment from amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️‍⚧️ on 5 December 2018 at 08:59

OSM has a long standing rule of drawing borders where “de facto physical control” is. By this rule, Crimea should be marked as being in Russia. I’m not sure what your suggesting replacing that rule with. “UN resolution” might sound nice but (i) it’s heavily biased to a few former countries, (ii) please tell me where the borders of Isreal is according to this criteria (should we use UN Resolution 181? Why not?)

There are some proposals to allow the mapping of “the border of country A according to country B” (#1, #2). Assisting in this process, with mapping, with software support, can be very useful toward solving this issue. I think we all sympathize with the people of Ukraine.

Comment from amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️‍⚧️ on 5 December 2018 at 14:19

“legally binding” isn’t very useful here. The OSM project is free to use any criteria for country borders, and is entirely free to outsource that decision making to the UN and use “UN resolution”.

But that’s not how things have worked in OSM for 10+ years, and there are problems with using “UN resolution” as a criteria, and people advocating for it need to address the issues with it. But I haven’t seen anyone willing to engage in that.

Comment from Richard on 5 December 2018 at 15:00

Please stop posting the same thing repeatedly.

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