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Mapping for fun and profit (the latter failed)

Following up on SomeoneElse’s comment 10% response rate on a cold marketing email is pretty good! It’s also a useful data point. When direct marketing was by post I think anything getting over 3% was regarded as highly targeted, and I’d assume with email its usually much lower.

Yes, I reckon 10% response rate is good, but I was little bummed out no one wanted pay, but I suppose it was expected.

Thanks for the suggestions. I have been thinking about asking governmental services who have suitable data, to make it open first and then mass import it for a price. But that’s probably not going to happen, since persuading them to license the data as open is not an easy feat in itself.

Mapping for fun and profit (the latter failed)

The point of OSM is to give knowledge to people for free— not to earn money off of it. Don’t join OSM if profit is what’s in your mind. It’s the passion that drives people to make such beautiful maps for free in OpenStreetMap. Not profit.

Is Linux kernel now a worse product when almost all the development is done by people who get paid to do it? I expected someone would say this. There seems to be always people who don’t like if someone wants to profit from free or open source software or other open projects.

Mapping for fun and profit (the latter failed)

Much too high asking price. You’re adding a point to a map, and if you add a bunch of tags (phone, website, address, hours), you’re probably spending 5 minutes per business. What’s your hourly rate to do that? €240? I suppose you spend more time per business to find that they’re not on the map and find their contact to email them. But should that be factored into the cost?

I map by walking or cycling and taking pics as notes, so I factored that in too. Of course I could just ask the information from the business owner once they contact me and not do any leg work.

By emailing them, you’re bring OSM to their attention, and some of them might just add their info themselves.

I emailed to a museum and their staff added museums to the map. I had data only for one museum ready and they added many. If they don’t want to pay me to add them, but they rather add themselves, it’s a good outcome for OSM anyway.

What value are you really offering for the business? I guess that’s where you came up with the 20€ value (that and time spent researching them). The actual ROI from OSM is probably pretty low.

Having the information in OSM can be seen as an ad. I can see some tourists have been mapping in the area.

Presumably, you either surveyed the area on foot or by combing Google Maps/OSM to compare their listings. You have collected a lot of information about these businesses already to then essentially hold hostage. Why not just add this information that you’ve already spent the time collecting?

YES, of course map the businesses that don’t want to pay! If someone else maps the business, would you delete it because they didn’t pay you? You’ve already done most of the work, and OSM is a community effort to help the public. You’re probably not only mapping for yourself/for profit.

I’m not holding anyone hostage by asking money to map them, they are free to map or ask someone else to map and certainly I’m not going to delete anything.

This was an experiment I did a year ago and I forgot to write about this. I thought I’d add the data after a while, in the case I get no response, but I didn’t do that, so I’ll do that some day, since this didn’t work out.

I think this might have some potential if the cost were much lower (like 1 to 5€). I still wouldn’t expect much interest, though, and the time spent contacting/negotiating would be way more than just surveying and mapping it.

That’s so small amount it’s not worth the trouble.

Mappers in Uusikaupunki

Thanks. Maybe I will contact them, I am a bit shy person…

Cycling And Tracking in Warm Weather

Yeah, I thought they’d be appreciated by tourists. I don’t know which maps show drinking water nodes. Nodes with https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity_drinking=water and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made=water_tap are shown in OSM, but https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=water_points are not. None of these were drinking fountains. One was clearly a tap for small amounts in a marketplace, one was in the harbor with long hoses for boats and other were also in the harbors, but not meant to fill tanks. I think they are used mostly by people who have a summer cabin with no running water. And one was a tap in the side of the water purification plant :D