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Posted by valhikes on 20 June 2024 in English.

I have been deeply tempted to use this. There have been times when I didn’t even tag the disposal not because it slipped my mind, but because “pitlatrine” is wrong.

From the wiki for toilets:disposal=pitlatrine, “waste falls into a lined or unlined pit”. This is a lie. A pit is an unlined hole in the ground. A pit toilet uses an unlined hole in the ground. A lined hole in the ground is a vault and the difference is important to land managers and, I would argue, the end user.

As to land managers, one example would be the United States Forest Service. If an area has over a certain number of visitors a year, they try to supply a toilet facility. If that number is still few enough, a (unlined) pit toilet is sufficient. Over a certain amount, it needs to be a vault. This is due to the waste leaching into the surrounding soil with an unlined system. With sufficient volume, it’s more likely to cause contamination in the area.

When a pit toilet is full, the land manager digs a new hole, moves over whatever construction they’ve got in place to help you stay above ground while you make your deposit, and cover over the old hole. When a vault toilet is full, someone comes to pump that thing out and it stays just where it was before.

For the end user, well, the stories I could tell you about using a pit toilet. The floor of the one in Little Round Valley sagged as I stepped into it. Volunteers had just finished digging the hole and moving the little building over it at Santa Cruz Guard Station as I arrived. Practically smell free throughout the stay! Most of the rest of the backcountry pit toilets in the area don’t actually have full buildings, just 0-3 privacy walls around a topped hole. When not spacious by not having a complete set of walls, they tend to be exceedingly tight. The building of one near Blue Lakes was so tight, it was hard to stand to pull up my pants without opening the door.

I don’t have these kinds of stories about vault toilets. The horse parking one at First Water was getting pumped out when I was there. I’ve got some on how people treat vault toilets, but that’s not about just the toilet itself. They’re a much more uniform item, being a larger construction. Usually they’ve got sufficient room for a wheelchair even if it would be hard to get a chair up the step outside.

I expect there’s a few others thinking as I do. There’s 102 improved_pitlatrine and another 45 blair_ventilated_improved_pitlatrine. No one has gone for vault yet. It’s universally used by the Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management, but that doesn’t make it the UK usage. They are far outweighed by the 65362 uses of pitlatrine, but most of my own uses and some where I have not tagged would be better as vault, at least if we were using American English. (I’m not keen on improved_pitlatrine simply because it doesn’t say how. One (unlined) pit toilet I encountered was outfitted with a lid several decades old that proclaimed itself patented and capable of fitting tightly to prevent flies and smell! Improved, but not meaningfully. On the other hand, vault is very specific to the disposal.)

Location: Santa Barbara County, California, United States
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Discussion

Comment from NitaRae on 21 June 2024 at 18:22

I am aware of one toilet facility, built by the NWS, at a wildlife management area. It was about 150-ft from the edge of a tidal grass flats area. From what I recall, it was a permanent structure, with some form of chemical composting system beneath it. The structure was permanent and made from masonry. This specific amenity was close to where Hurricane Idalia made landfall in 2023. Anecdotal reports are that much of the infrastructure down there was destroyed or heavily damaged by the storm surge, so (permanent or not) I do not know if it survived. Being so close to the shore line, I doubt they could do a typical pit or vault there. Even a septic tank with drain field may have been difficult.

Comment from AlaskaDave on 30 June 2024 at 14:25

I completely agree with your assessment, Valhikes.

All state-owned and NFS campgrounds accessible by road here in Alaska have sturdy weather-proof toilets with large concrete vaults to hold waste until they eventually get pumped out. I have never liked tagging them as pitlatrines for the same reasons you mentioned..

I think someone should write this up as a proposed tagging addition in the Wiki but starting now I’m changing my tagging preset for campground toilets in Alaska.

Comment from valhikes on 1 July 2024 at 18:52

I have met a couple fiberglass installations, but almost all are the solid iron and concrete pieces from Spokane. Dates on them from a couple years ago or a couple decades, it’s all the same except for the number of coats of paint. I know one that’s survived a couple small debris flows. It might be a biffy, but it’s not a pitlatrine.

Okay, I’ll take it to the forum. Really I will. Thanks for the validation!

Comment from valhikes on 1 July 2024 at 19:59

Okay, the forum looks like a scary place. I’m not even sure which category it goes in.

The toilets wiki page does actually contain “toilets:disposal=tank - a storage tank emptied by a pumping truck. Often used for portable toilets.” Was that there a while? I certainly have missed it until now. Perhaps “tank” is better than “vault” although “vault” is the standard on BLM and FS pages. Probably NPS and many state parks too. Or perhaps “vault” is better as it is a buried tank. Perhaps tank is trying to not refer to a buried tank?

Current usage according to overpass: 24 tanks, 8 vaults.

Anyway, I shall approach it from the wiki talk page instead.

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