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| 141943188 | over 2 years ago | * "from now granular" = "from more granular" |
| 141943188 | over 2 years ago | Ok. For me gravel is just mostly lose rocks, difficult to ride a bicycle. Compacted may have some loose gravel, but there is always a more solid base which is compacted from now granular material. It maybe shaky and uncomfortable, but not difficult to ride a bicycle and hard to loose balance. But that is my understanding. |
| 141943188 | over 2 years ago | Hi and welcome!
See
And "compacted" here surface=* Please update the surface if it's compacted. Thank you! |
| 137467127 | over 2 years ago | It seems "right of way" definition created some confusion. From Google translate: 1) the legal right, established by usage or grant, to pass along a specific route through grounds or property belonging to another. 2) the legal right of a pedestrian, vehicle, or ship to proceed with precedence over others in a particular situation or place. You are interpreting what's described with "right of way" as the second definition, while it's the first one in case of your wiki quote. Access tags are about access, no double meaning. I'll repeat again: priority does not matter in this case. We understand the law the same way, we have different understanding of access tags. Please try to understand the whole context of the wiki article, not a single phrase from it
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| 141442421 | over 2 years ago | Hi, you shouldn't add names to roads just because some tool complains about them being unnamed. You should mark it as false-positive in that tool. I'm talking about
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| 137467127 | over 2 years ago | Can you please link the place where it's written that they relate to right of way? In my understanding they relate to being allowed to traverse the way, not that everyone should yield for you. |
| 137467127 | over 2 years ago | access tags are not related to the right of way. |
| 137467127 | over 2 years ago | dismount is a big no from me. You don't have to dismount and in practice it's not required. We aren't mapping right of way here. It's going to impede routing a lot. My suggestion is simple
The advantage of this is that you can see everything from aerial imagery. This is of course if crossing is mapped separately at all. About unmarked crossings, they aren't that often mapped as separate ways, but if they are, I think they usually should inherit access tags from connecting ways. Unless it's a crossing with high kerbs, probably not a bicycle=designated. In the example I've linked way/1115986757 I wouldn't add any bicycle=* tags |
| 137467127 | over 2 years ago | Well I think we should ignore the exceptions and not make people abuse them without a reason. Bicycle=yes can be added on footways where there is no good alternative, but that's besides the point. In this case there is a crossing where both sides don't have bicycle=designated or anything about bicycle access, but the crossing itself suddenly has it. IMO it's a bit strange that crossing has more access than the paths it connects. As for iD tooltips, I don't think we should 100% trust them. I don't mean that there is any big problem with how the things are mapped, but maybe in future we can be better. One other thing I'd like to also get rid of is a highway=footway
at least on non-crossings, as this is not the best combination and you won't really find wiki examples of it. Some clients like Komoot treat it differently. If the path is signed, then a different combination is better highway=path
(or at least the iD-way of highway=cycleway, this time CyclOSM will be confused) Sometimes there is also footway=sidewalk, but as it turns out highway=path
is perfectly ok
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| 137467127 | over 2 years ago | Hi, I've looked at some bicycle=designated roads and noticed that there are some crossings which are mapped with it which are between footways where bicycles are not welcome. IMO we should map
And there is no reason to map one as bicycle anything if it's between footways. What do you think? |
| 130961188 | over 2 years ago | IMO using mtb:scale is not better than bicycle=no and I'm not sure I like the idea of an umpaved forest path being a footway. |
| 130961188 | over 2 years ago | I too think that mtb:scale may not exactly fit here. It seems to be more about stuff like obstacles, rocks, incline, not getting stuck in a bog. It's kind of strange, even for walking it would be beneficial to have a tag which would describe area as boggy for a router, yet I don't think we have anything like that. Found this discussion related to bicycles https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/soft-and-boggy-paths/8429 |
| 130961188 | over 2 years ago | This part you surveyed is also pretty "warm" on Strava's heatmap, it's the part to the west of it which is questionable |
| 130961188 | over 2 years ago | I don't know about this path, that's why I'm asking. I often see people mistaking access for "my own skill doesn't allow this". There are 1 or 2 bicycle tracks on Strava heatmap, but maybe the person dismounted. Or maybe it's passable on a fat bike? |
| 141312586 | over 2 years ago | Some other reasons:
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| 141312586 | over 2 years ago | And there is no such thing in the law as "road for cars". The road is for everyone. |
| 141312586 | over 2 years ago | What you've linked is not a law, please refer to § 32 of Road Traffic Act (1) A cycle and light moped may be ridden:
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| 141312586 | over 2 years ago | access tags are about legal access, not personal opinions. To a degree I'm ok when people bend them in form of bicycle=yes on footways where city just didn't think of the cyclists and no penalty for them would be enforced, but restricting something without there being an actual restriction is something which we shouldn't do. Cycling on what the law calls "carriageway" is allowed. Cycling on footways (you've mentioned eastern side) is forbidden for adults and since there is a "safe" alternative on western side shouldn't be mapped. As I've mentioned, I'm ok if people bend this rule where there are no safe alternatives for a casual cyclist and the road is not too crowded. There are many reasons why cyclists may prefer main thoroughfare to combined cycling/pedestrian path
There may be other reasons and it's ok, since the law allows it. Smarter routers https://brouter.m11n.de have profiles which allow to select which style of cycling you prefer more, we should leave this decision them and the user. You can find Road Traffic Act in English here
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| 141312586 | over 2 years ago | That's up to the cyclists and routers to decide. |
| 141312586 | over 2 years ago | And Narva mnt near Reidi tee |