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PK (Point Kilométriques en France)

Now that it works, you should come up with something more interesting for the other mappers reading here!

Improving the OSM map - why don't we? [9]

A year later:

Total number of keys: 59953 Number of keys used at most 10 times: 39179 (65%) Number of keys used at least 10000 times: 1401 (2.3%)

The problem with the “suspicious” keys remains….

"Welcome-to-new-mappers" program in the Netherlands comes to an end.

@pnorman:
It still is useless because they don’t read e-mail in their OSM account.

"Welcome-to-new-mappers" program in the Netherlands comes to an end.

@CloCkWeRX:
The timeframe was usually 1-2 days, but never more than a week.

@Joost:
Checking of the first edit was included, and reacted upon if necessary.

Maps.me is a new evil (instead of Potlatch)?

In the Dutch community we send out a personal welcome message to new mappers after they do their first edit. Mappers working with iD, JOSM or Potlatch are usually aware of the OSM way of communicating with each other by means of mailing lists, forums or personal messages.
But a maps.me user is not aware of the fact that I can send him a message through his account page, nor is maps.me sending out alerts to users that a message for them was posted on their account page.
Recently we saw an enormous increase of bad edits caused by maps.me users, but when trying to get in contact with those users, this seems to be impossible: they never reply.
Hence we stopped sending out the welcome message if that user used maps.me as editor.

I do agree that maps.me might be a useful addition to the mapping tools, and I do use it myself to do quick and dirty POI adding which I later (at home using JOSM) improve by adding the stuff that you can’t add with maps.me.

First subject

Welcome!

Unrendered elements

There are many more objects that are not visible on the standard (Mapnik) rendering. To help me (and many others) out of that limitation, I created OpenPoiMap (a user-friendly interface to overpass-turbo) that can show (almost) everything you want to see on the map.
Read the wiki!

Improving the OSM map - why don't we? (13)

@Zverik your Map is indeed a very welcome addition. It is really a pity that on the standard OSM map at openstreetmap.org, people are not offered more choices of renderers, including yours!

First entry

You mean Virb? Nice camera, I used it a lot for Mapillary.

New Users

In the Dutch community I send a welcome message to every mapper that does his/her first edit in our (small) country.
In this message I point them to a special help Wiki with informatin for newbies and encourage them to join the community.
I also check their first edits for serious mistakes/errors. A half year after this first contact I check the number of edits that were done after this initial edits to see if we are dealing with “one time only” mappers (e.g. no more edits after the initial edits) or staying mappers (more than 100 changesets after 6 months.)

On average we have 80-100 new persons (doing a first edit) each month. Based on some preliminary results and data checking, it seems that only 3% of the mappers keep mapping!

10 years

Inspiring story!

Improving the OSM map - why don't we? [12]

Reactions to this topic show different visions and point to various problems with a proper way of recording the source of our mapping. Suppose this:

A new building (in my hometown) appears on the map because it was imported under the BAG rules that were accepted in the Dutch community. One of the tags added with this import is: source=BAG.

Next, a grocery is starting buisiness in that building and is added by me (to the existing tags) and I can do this because of local knowledge. But at the same time I add the phone-number for that shop, using the yellow pages as source and from an advertisement for that grocery I can learn that they only sell natural grown groceries.
I have now 3 different sources at the same time.
Should I:

  • record all that source-information in the changeset comment?

or

  • add this information to the existing source=BAG tag, separated by “;”?

or

Natural language vs. abstract tags

Very nice, interesting reading!
Reminds me of my series of diary entries: Improving the OSM map - why don’t we?
And especially the one regarding language use.

Puig Soler

What is it that you want to share with us? Marc.

Improving the OSM map - why don't we? [12]

@Simon,

It doesn’t matter very much where (and how) the source information is stored if it is incomprehensible to others…

Btw, your opinion and the wiki differ.
Moreover, general use (see taginfo) shows that the source tag (and the source namespace) is in wide use.

Marc.

Improving the OSM Map - why don't we? [11]

@Littlebtc: Thank you for clarifying!

Retrieving notes with a Perl script

No indeed, that’s not possible. But I always carry my tablet with me when I’m fixing those notes, reading the notes on the spot self - from my screen. Which give me also the oppurtunity to fix them right away. Of course for complex edits that is not the best solution, given the limitation of mobile editiors, but changing names, adding tags etc. is easy to do with GoMap

But there is definitely a use for your tool! Nicely done!

Retrieving notes with a Perl script

Nice idea with some helpfull extra’s, but you probably should also have a look at Pascal Neis’ site:

http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes

Which has many options to retrieve notes on a per country basis (as a RSS feed!) and to select between notes that have a comment and notes that don’t.

I use this tool daily to check for notes in my country (which is small).

Marc.

Diary spam?

Thanks!

I see that the relevant entry is removed now!

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To me this is pure spam!