I should point out that there are some shorter ways due to the detail of the junctions, and you should take time to double check that you have not missed any ways. Cheers!

Hi, there was no road along way No. 165336988. Whether it was a mistake or not, please be careful.

Hi, 'link' ways like "highway=primary_link" is intended for slip roads rather than the main carriageway. "highway=primary" is the right tag for the main carriageway.

Done, although the last time around, one was partly overgrown to the edge.

Hi, I might have over-tagged the restrictions when I came from Dagenham but I thought that it has some motorway-like restrictions because of the way the road looked like. Do you think cyclists are allowed as far as Wennington when coming from the east?

Hi, primary_link and secondary_links are supposed to be for slip roads instead of the main carriageway.

Please stop contracting Εθνική Οδός to ΕΟ: it is annoying and we are not supposed to be mapping just for the renderer.

I already saw your proposal but I have no idea as to how Thessaloniki is 57: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:GR#Departments_and_self-governed_part. Attiki should use 00 instead of A1, otherwise there will be confusion with motorways.

I had to restore the names and some of the original classifications on the night of 3rd April (changeset/29963819) on the EO2 only, pending further consultation from other users. This was the night before we had the IRC chat.

Until we find more opinion on the classification issue, there is a need to maintain some stability in the map in the interim, otherwise the routing could potentially be messed up.

Please note that the changeset I linked to looks larger because I sorted the members of the E 86 euro-route relation in JOSM, so as to ensure continuity and iron out any gaps along the way.

Can you please explain what justifies using Latin refs for a country where the Greek alphabet is mainly in use? Thanks in advance.

GionUait, there is nothing wrong about using ΕΠ because the Greek alphabet is the country's main writing system.

I will do my best, but at this time I am studying and I may be very busy until mid-June. Sorry in advance for any inconvenience this may cause.

Hi,

I am well aware that the Greek OSM community is patchy, but I am confident that not all major urban avenues with traffic lights qualify as motor-road. At the time I was only complying with what is recommended on the wiki to respect the existing structure. Your edits took me by surprise, hence my concerns.

Mesogeion Avenue (EO54) is one of the Athens' important thoroughfares, but it is not a motor-road because it isn't one and it doesn't look like one as far as I know. I have no idea how one could just conclude that a section of road is a motor-road just because of the layout.

Ideally, if we followed the classification rules as-is, we would have a structure much like the Netherlands. However, if you feel that the trunk road is seriously underused because of the low number of motor-roads. then I may be able to offer a compromise: I was thinking, just now that we could modernise the hierarchy to something similar to the British system, where National Roads can be either Trunk or Primary, and Provincial Roads can be Primary or Secondary.

However, if we are to settle on a lasting solution to the Greek road classification/numbering issue, we strongly recommend the two people (ea1969 and Stavros86) from SkyscraperCity to join in. These two people would be able to nail down exactly which road is supposed to go where.

Zool asked me this morning where we could unpick the confusion over the Greek road classification system. I would recommend a Wiki page called "Road Classification and Numbering in Greece", and I will happily link it from the project page (osm.wiki/WikiProject_Greece). I even made a new banner to entice more interest in getting the challenge resolved.

I hope this helps for now. Sorry about forgetting to reply to this but it has been totally chaotic.

It turns out that according to http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=122896886&postcount=2155, the part of A1 that are not motorways is in fact EO1a.

On a side note, I would refrain from marking the slip roads as part of the main road unless it was a grade separated junction, such as at way/162155979: it would be a lot better to make it like osm.org/#map=18/51.58104/0.14118, although there is currently a bug that I reported at @Amaroussi/diary/34663.

Hi there,

I've been told by ea1969 the Greek road enthusiast that EO1 has indeed not been totally replaced, hence not all sections are ΠΕΟ1 in practice. Probably not the first one to think that section was EO4, since AiNikolas ninja'd me (way/26944272/history, scroll to end).

My enquiry was made to ea1969 at: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=122874999

Quite importantly the section between Alexandreia and Chalkidona is clearly alive and well, as there are no toll-free service roads on the A1. The three alignments of EO1 from Athens to Evzoni will definitely show how much the network has changed, yet the road numbering system hasn't kept up with the reality – it is a challenge that I still take up anyway, if only to bring premium-quality maps on this website with previously overlooked numbering schemes that cement the existence of a majority of provincial roads, even though the National Road network requires me to consider the current makeup from a national point of view.

Hi,

In this changeset, you deleted "name" tags from main roads. That was the common default name in the local (Greek) language and is one of the core building blocks of the map.

Hello,

It is not about how neat it is, but how we reflect reality: I've asked ea1969, another Greek road enthusiast (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=122885298&postcount=2152), and he has confirmed to me that EO2 and EO3 currently follows the bypass although occasionally there are references to the under construction A27 (Also, the EO1 in question could not be downgraded since there no service roads to the A1, which is a toll road.

I forgot to add that the EO2 will only follow its original course if the green road in question later becomes the A27: there is currently no time-line for the upgrade of that part yet.

If people prefer to use the green one, then that is the reality on the road and such situation should be respected. Until you joined in, the stretch of road in question was happily sharing numbers without problems.

The road in red is pretty much an old national road of orange, due to the bypass (in Green). That should be PEO2/PEO3 now. Please take new roads built after the 1963 list into account.