Insightful diary.. Thank you Pete!

Hi Heather and Rebecca, you’re welcome and hope these circumstances take us to the better place on the OSM Community. Cheers..

Thanks Arnalie and Pete, Cheers..

@woodpeck :

1. I reached out to some of the accounts and haven’t heard back after sometime. That’s why I made this diary, with an intention that it might get across to the right recipient. I had attempted personal communications prior to this.

2. To also clarify where this comes from, I am an OSM user who live in Jakarta, I feel it is my personal responsibility to help maintain the quality of OSM data as much as I could. If there were only one or two accounts that made these edits, I could realign them myself. But this was done by 29 accounts who made edits almost everyday and I felt somewhat overwhelmed. To address your question, we also used Mapbox satellite imagery for editing. My hopes is that when a user map with OSM and see a lot of data on it and has minimum error/warnings especially visual warning such as crossing objects, users need to be mindful about the changes made because it may impact others’ data.

3. Thank you so much for your suggestion. I will approach the data working group should cases like this arises in the future.

@everyone in this comment section

Ps: I have been informed about the person in charge working in this mapping and have made direct contact with the person. We had agreed to resolve the case among the two of us.

Thank you for everyone who made responses. I’ll take this as a lesson’s learned as part of global OSM community. I believe that all of us have this common goal as a community to make OSM data useful and responsible for everyone.

Terima kasih atas responnya,

Kalau ada kesempatan main aja ke kantor HOT di Surabaya ya biar bisa melihat kegiatan kami. Sekalian nanti bisa mungkin memberikan tambahan ilmu buat kami dari sisi teknis bagaimana memetakan yang baik dan benar di OSM.

Coba saya minta tolong, lain kali kalau itu berkaitan dengan institusi HOT Indonesia silahkan email ke [email protected] atau kalau itu secara langsung dengan kegiatan HOT di PDC Surabaya ke email saya di [email protected]

Anggota OSM yang mas maksud itu Farras, dia mahasiswa universitas airlangga dan yang punya batas administrasi surabaya sebelum ini. Minta tolong kasih tau dia kalau ada sesuatu yang dirasa ganjil terkait surabaya bisa langsung hubungin saya atau ke kantor HOT di surabaya.

Alamat Kantor HOT : Jalan Manyar Kerta Adi 3 No. 21, Kel. Manyar Sabrangan, Kec. Mulyorejo, Surabaya

Komentar saya memang bukan untuk enak dibaca karena saya hanya mencoba memberikan informasi yang mas belum tau ketika nulis diari ini. Secara pribadi saya memaafkan dan kalau ada jawaban saya yang buat bingung anda saya juga mohon maaf.

Salam

Hi @everyone_sinks_starco, please let me Introduce myself. My name is Harry Mahardhika and I am Project Coordinator in #PDCSurabaya project. I need to clarifiy and make some statement regarding your diary about our project.

First of all, I think your diary title is provocative. The tittle directly accused HOT Indonesia destroyed OSM Data in Surabaya. All of your diary did not prove any evidence of OSM data in surabaya really has been destroyed by our project. Your only using your assumption without digging deeper about HOT Indonesia and this project. As Iyan, my manager, has explained to you that we already tell OSM user in working group before the project in Surabaya started. We explained that we would like temporary delete the administration boundary in Surabaya regarding the license issues from the previous author and will be replaced it with the better and valid one. Why I can say that? because our boundary administration in Surabaya has been collected by directly asked each village representative in Surabaya and got their permission to publish it in OSM.

Secondly, I see many of your sentences show some accusation to us.

(Despite all of “hard work” they made, I have discovered that before I partially fixed them (Gedung Keuangan Negara, schools and post office in Central Surabaya, name a few), many of already-good map data in Surabaya on OSM was lost or mangled. Building polygon ‘merged’ into area polygon as part of relations, and relations have much non-standard basic entries (address, school ownership and others, but I appreciate data additions about buildings although it is inaccurate), making it very difficult to simplify for better rendering on much-universal OSM data-based applications. Also, all third- (kodya), fourth- (kecamatan) and fifth-level (kelurahan) administrative borders are wiped (addition: not just wiping, they REALLY corrupted them. Querying locations around the Surabaya returned with empty Enclosing Features, and showing maxlat uncaught exception error on browser’s inspect tool. This is never happened outside Surabaya where administrative borders are preserved). Polygon quality are mixed, mostly poor.)

Why do even quote the word of hard work in your first sentence? Our Team has been mapped surabaya since October and still going until today. They going to field everyday, met people in the field, asking them the information, visit the official villages representative. For us, that is REAL survey

How you can said that our polygon relation is bad and wrong? We make that relation based on wiki OSM article. If you have better source than that please let us know. :))

Lastly, I would like to make a statement that we always respect old data in OSM. if the data is wrong we fixed it, if the data need more information we add it, of course we are not always right in this case that is why we still need suggestion and report from other user. We really appreciate if our mistakes delivered directly to us. Iyan has give you our email to disscuss or know more detail about our activities in Indonesia us or you can join in our Facebook Community if you have not join yet in Komunitas OpenStreetMap Indonesia. We always encourage our community to make OSM data quaility in Indonesia better in the future and really like support from them.

Mari bersama membangun bukan menjatuhkan satu sama lain. Salam,

Harry Mahardhika