Hi,

In France (for example), a lot of street names, adresses and buildings have been imported successfully. What’s blocking the import is most often an incompatible license between cities’ data and OSM.

OSM do cooperate with “government entities”, see Tiger, French cadastre, and a whole lot I can’t think of.

Anyway, thank you for joining us and contributing !

Bonjour et bienvenue !

Donezo

Nice tool, thank you !

I don’t see the problem then. If you believe that only ways difficulties should be used in your tool so be it. That way both the risk-averse people would be satisfied.

People that want more “aggregate” difficulty ratings can look at the relation. Both are useful imo.

Also, if a mapper only know the “average/aggregate” difficulty of the route, wouldn’t it be better that they add it to the relation instead of every members ? If they added it on every way, that would infer incorrect precision, likely preventing future mappers to define each way’s difficulty. And that would put people like you described at risk.

Routes in general ways have an “average difficulty” and a maximum difficulty. An intermediate skier (same for any sport really) may accept a short section of higher difficulty on a longer way, easier way.

I see the relation difficulty as the average for the route, and its maximum can be derived by its ways. Isn’t it possible to use ways difficulties with a fallback on the relation difficulty ?

It could be limited before upload, but the modifications could also be filtered by bounding box in the review tool.

Happy to hear that !

Hi,

I think you are talking about the ‘iD’ editor.

I found two ways to stop drawing lines :

*Pressing escape on the keyboard * Double-clicking on the screen or mouse

I would also suggest trying Vespucci (android) or Go Map! (iOS), which are both designed for smartphone editing first.

I hope that helps you :)

Nice project ! I added a link to it in the wiki.

Merci pour ces améliorations !

Thank you for this, and the detailed readme explaining all the checks !

Nice work ! I wasn’t aware of this Special Comittee, but I’m glad it exists and creating those useful recommendations.

Thank you for this analysis !

Thank you for this nice project and big undertaking !

Merci pour ce sacré boulot !

Merci pour ce rapport complet !

Pour avoir plus de visibilité pour le projet GéoDataMine je t’invite à l’ajouter sur la forge logicielle du projet

Si tu veux j’ai un compte Framagit, je peux relayer l’info moi sinon.

That’s convenient to allow only agreement to be shared, and to label disagreement labeled as trolling. I’ll answer anyway, those who want to label this as trolling may do so.

In other words, pre-publishing the survey is not an accepted practice.

And yet :

@cquest I’ve added that link, thanks.

So I think asking for review would have been beneficial, but I’m far from an expert on surveying.

Bashing me publicly in my diary constitutes trolling, period

You’re right, that diary is published with your name attached. But as it’s one of the first public communication of this release, I think it’s unfair to call it a “personal diary” and forbid contributors to comment on it. Maybe next time such releases could be posted first to a “neutral” platforms such as recommended by @RicoElectrico. That will solve some of the issues raised here.

Answering publicly help deduplicate comments. Asking every contributor noticing an issue to send a private email sound pretty inefficient comparing to posting in a public medium, and may not help the recipient to not feel attacked. I think receiving and answering 5, 10, 20 messages regarding the same issue would be tiresome/aggravating.

Originally the (constructive) criticism was targeted on the survey and related communications, not you. Only after passive-aggressive attacks like calling people “unsophisticated” and “trolls” it had shifted onto you personnaly and became out-of-line.

I think that “publicly calling people out” (again, you were originally not targeted) becomes necessary on global-reaching endeavour such as this survey and voices asking to include the community are ignored, as I shared in my previous comment. What other avenue do you suggest? Staying silent? I think we should listen to each other in order to move forward.

Really thoughtful and complete analysis, thank you imagico !

Yeah I agree, calling disagreeing voices “trolls” is inflammatory and unneeded.

Some people asked in osm-talk to share the survey draft before sharing the definitive version. maybe those issues regarding privacy could have been spotted earlier, and these comments avoided ? I think it should be considered for future surveys.

Anyway, even with those issues, thank you for organizing such a survey, that amount to a lot of work !