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mapman, there are many thousands of governments which are paid for by taxpayers but whose data is not made public domain, worldwide. the us government is a notable exception, but one cannot extrapolate from that to regional and local governments. texas is known to be particularly problematic despite collecting texas taxes.

the situation is far clearer outside of the us of a, in select areas where tax-collecting government agencies have made their data open to the public but under restrictive licences, and for example in germany there is a limited number of government sources that are free to source for osm, but a significant number which are not free, even to the point where legal action has been taken against osm for the use of their data, so that the german community (of which Georg here is a member) is very careful about checking the compatibility of sources used with osm and reverting additions from incompatible government sources.

the key point is not that osm is itself a non-profit non-commercial organisation, but that its primary product, the map database and data within, is open to all use, *including commercial usage*, that complies with its terms. and many commercial services now make use of osm data in a for-profit setting, such as mapbox, maps.me, facebook, and i don't know what all.

it is for this reason that sources which limit end-usage to personal and non-commercial use are incompatible with osm, and may not be used as-is, and it is necessary to obtain a waiver or permission for the clauses that conflict (normally non-commercial limitations, or attribution requirements that osm cannot meet).

you may doubt that entity X, here fairfax county, will act against osm, but this is not grounds to copy their data, as it has happened in the past and continues to do so, if you were to monitor data working group redactions.

there is a difference between using non-compatible data to verify an item in osm, and copying from that source or making changes based on that source. i take it that the street in question where i see a name now, previously had no name. and i also take it that this name was sourced from the topic of this discussion, which would be a no-go, unless:

1) the source terms are in fact compatible with osm - i have not looked and am not a legal expert about these matters but as i note, commercial use and attribution requirements need to be compatible as the most frequent bones of contention;

b) you or someone contacts the organisation responsible for the data to obtain documented permission that osm may use that data, if 1) above is not the case.

if 1) turns out to be true, then b) is unnecessary, but if not, then to carry out b) with success would be of much greater value to osm (and i hope fits in with your threat as i read it to do something else with your time) as it would allow that source be not just used for this single addition, but to check/add data throughout the whole county, and possibly open up further data (building footprints?) for import into osm.

to respond to your claim that osm will get nowhere without relying on potentially incompatible data, i give the example of germany where the bulk of the data was added by mappers without imports, lacking TIGER equivalent. it is not perfect, and it is a very different community and ideology than one seems to find in the us where the default is google and there is less a hands-on approach that i see, but the philosophy behind osm is not to be the most complete or correct map, but the best it can be with the allowed resources, and where it comes to a choice between complete but questionable data, osm has chosen to err on the side of caution, leaving a blank rather than to include legally risky sources.

where there is a shortage of mappers, as in the us, or ropey data has been imported, the proper channel to go through is to obtain and most importantly, document permission to use external data sources to enhance mapper input.

i'm writing too much for this apparently minor infraction, and had adamant's proposal for a comment character count limit been put into production, you'd have been spared thi

another buggy app, dumping things at null island? should be reverted, i'm trying my best but don't mind if someone beats me to it

georg, many thanks for cleaning this poorly-designed-app spam.

i would guess from the name (if it is not just a description for personal use - and it needs capitalisation to Peachtree, and if the proper name, Highrise), that it should be tagged like the nearby way/269196206 as a block of flats - or, None Of The Above :-)

thank you for that feedback, before i have bothered to add addresses.

my eyes glaze over before understanding what little italian i know, and it is a good thing i have not added any addresses, because what if one address has three or more residential entrances? i would have put the address i know on the building.

secondly, were i to do a survey of missing housenumbers, i would probably do so by printing the crudly mapped outlines and making notes onto that, and where a building is separated from its adjacent neighbours, mark the way because of GPS inaccuracy and poor aerial imageries, so that the address info follows any corrections and refinement to the building outline.

but i do not know if i will reach that point - i seem to be spending more time fixing things that continue to break rather than to bring my lightning-damaged workstation/server back to working order, so my earlier map improvements have come to a standstill, while i simply use outdated map data to try and plan my daily walks to places that may be there, or not. today, more shopping!!!

grazie

ciao,

please check what you have used for naming of the area way/499539138 that is shown prominently on the map.

is there really signage using this name? it reads to me as a generic description that can be inferred from its mapped location, and not something that should be in the name= field.

merci vielmal

please tell me how node/7117686288 is useful and should be kept. it's clear only from the nearby 69 as to which side of the street, assuming all-odd numbering, but unless the mapper updates this edit (which s/he has done elsewhere i have seen and commented), this info is of no use to anyone, sited outside of and equidistant from two candidate buildings.

the node added in the other commented (by martin) changeset was also on the highway, far from the address 7 martin had also added, again no clue if 5 were in the same building as 7 and the others, or the nearby building.

i agree, maps.me is totally unsuitable for this type of additions unless the user corrects the position and value promptly, rather than leaving randomly placed nodes, or geographically-centred items far from their actual position. but we all know that.

sorry for my change of tone from earlier; after taking a few days break, i'm back to resolving the flood of spam notes across the us of a, that has taken my time since sundown, and where i ask meself why do i bother ...

the `q' (quadrilateralise() ) key in the most common online editors including current iD will do this for you.

please explain this lake. you've made two edits both of which added implausible lakes, almost as if you want to fake the map data to cheat at some irrelevant game or something. this looks like it should be reverted too.

why have you added a lake here that does not jive with the rest of the map data? i've a feeling this changeset should be reverted without a good clarification, something i can't do at present

A. Dama, to go off-topic but to throw in two pence, a character limit on changeset comments seems pointless, as i've not seen the abuse in comments (that can't be anonymous), unlike the osm notes we worked in common in the past where complete junk was posted.

i've hit the recent notes character limit fairly often when going into detail, which can be annoying to me, while a relief to others.

a character limit here won't do anything about going off-topic, deviation, repetition, or ... um ... ah ... ehhh ... hesitation. these are the issues i need to work on, and i can just as well write a short off-topic or unclear message or loaded with insults and attacks without reaching the limit.

in these two verbal volleys i've come across this morning, i've not felt what y'all have written is too long as such, but rather that the other flaws come to the fore. i believe i understand what stevea has been doing although it's expressed a bit unclearly, and without looking at the actual data changes, i do know that Potlatch 1 is very prone to slightly moving a way when selected (probably nodes too) and throws up a warning; this was likely made worse for me by remote-X11 editing. i don't intend it and sometimes may not catch it.

anyway, i'm not back to the recovery point where i can analyse and explain what's happened, if these were wholesale polygon drag-and-drops like i'm interpreting the description. so i probably shouldn't say anything.

anyway a character count lim

if it's just a storage area of no public interest (apart from what it is), a warehouse without sales, then rental storage is not the right tag, as that's something the public is supposed to be able to rent.

if the public can buy from here, as i did at places that were storage warehouses but with wholesale-oriented offices that also willingly served the infrequent drunk as i stumbled in off the street, then a shop or office tag would seem appropriate.

if it's a completely private object, then i suggest it not be tagged as more than just a name and description to document what is there, rather than trying to shoehorn a public tag that would be searchable, and here would show up if i'm looking for some commercial locker to stash my extra wine bottles and empties. probably not what the occupant wants.

note i'm going from personal experience in a completely different part of the world with an emphasis on wine growing, very much unlike here.

i suspect this is an early extension to the five digit postal codes in the us, known by the trademark or whatever, ZIP Code, where to subdivide the area covered by the earlier single shared postcode, a four-digit hyphen-separated number was appended in order to, if memory serves, narrow it down to a single city block or something.

that is, 30306-4279 would be the ZIP-plus-four (or whatever it is called, i'm sure it's documented out on the Intertubes) address of the area; i believe two additional digits can be added to refer to a particular building number, and two more probably gets you to one particular postbox in denser areas.

i don't know if this sort of addressing has caught on in general personal use, or how things might be today.

that's how i interpret this form of postcode, without verifying my guess...

'giorno,

if iD appears to freeze for you, then you should try to figure out the reason for this. years ago i would have suspected memory pressure causing disk writes and reads due to paging and swapping, where adding more memory would help.

these days i've been degraded to non-swap hardware and yet i still see regular freezes with other applications that result in weird behaviour. like just then where it took a couple seconds for that last `r' to appear after mashing the kezboard.

i'd suggest some patience to see how long the freeze is, whether one-to-two seconds just now as i typoed blindly, or if it recovers some time after you normally would refresh the page, at which time it springs to life and exhibits the behaviour you see, i'm guessing.

that will help to determine if your hardware needs an upgrade, or if iD is a victim of the language in which it is written or some OS quirk where garbage collection or similar housekeeping results in the freezes you - and i right now with linux firefox from a live-usb to test if this replacement yet damaged computer is reliable - are observing.

i cannot guess at your hardware environment, but there must be someone in your organisation experienced enough to advise you.

that said, i've been completely unprepared for the memory management on the discarded android devices i've been using where the performance is what i used to consider totally unacceptable on a multitasking server, but seems to be the new norm, though these were low-end devices when introduced many years ago.

probably due to my age, i have no problem waiting for a hung process to recover, while in production i can understand it's a productivity killer, and the yoof of today don't know what it's like to queue all day in wartime rationing to get a single lousy loaf of bread. ah, ze good old days.

now take yer modern dubstep and grime wax cylinders and get off me lawn.

thank you for adding the address info properly to this building. however, nearby there is a so-called `shower' with this number, please delete it and do not add these as address markers - the majority of your changesets i see consist of adding bogus showers, and these should not be uploaded to osm.

please do not upload these misplaced, improperly tagged personal bookmarks to osm. this changeset should be reverted, the address info is useless where placed

this looks like a private bookmark, badly tagged and in the road and unsuitable for osm

unfortunately this is the mapper's first and only edit so far, so it's not clear if their background is in a country where maps.me sees high usage and an Autobahn amenity is frequently abused to tag a park-bench or similar. with no user description, hard to tell.

or a completely different common maps.me issue.

this description is pointless. please review your tagging of way/711132566/history and touched in later edits, also failing a meaningful description, i do not believe a building exists as mapped, engulfing other buildings correctly mapped by others.

i agree, checking a small number of objects shows no common theme. a mechanical wikidata tagging to way/156844543/history that suggests no on-the-ground visit is mixed with further edits around alaska in geographically diverse areas:

adding a name tag to relation/10201147/history which cannot be inferred from the listed sources, as well as way/93700149/history

there are mappers whom i trust to have personally visited the places where they add notes or make map edits. however, i find it difficult to believe that is the case here, and with no feedback i've seen despite repeated changeset commentaries, i am led to believe that the adding of the names does not come from the personal knowledge that is acceptable, but may well be sourced from a map that may not be used for osm.

i have no proof of this, i have not verified the names against legal sources, nor have i checked to see if the names are present in forbidden sources. however osm chooses to err on the side of caution and insists on a paper trail to the original source, which is absent here for the added names.

i have not inspected more than the listed items to be able to say if there are worldwide mechanical edits and that changes requiring local knowledge are limited to one small area, like the alaska here and nearby russia in a previously-commented changeset. i trust others are checking in more detail than i can be arsed to do at present.