Bedankt, okay, ik zie het way/527960151. Niet gezien.

Ik denk dat ik ga proberen de changeset er weer in te hangen met deze weg gecorrigeerd.

Sorry @Noudejans, I only did read your reply after writing the reply above.

Good you check the local infrastructure and update OSM on it!

Currently the "Avenue Van Praet - Van Praetlaan" is completely mapped with "bicycle=use_sidepath" so I think that covers "not suited"

FYI: What triggered me initially is an Osmose warning saying there was bicycle=use_sidepath and cycleway=track, see http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?item=3032&class=30329 Currently there are no problem detected for whole Belgium.

When I edited 317100591 I only added segregated=yes and changed the geometry

For 317100584 you are correct, I made an error adding lanes:forward=2.

I see you corrected things, changeset/101094463, thanks!

Thanks for sharing that link @Thierry1030.

Yes, that looks quite unsafe, if you follow Mapillary you see the cyclist, filipc did make the choice to cross the road to the other side where the is some path that is not clearly signed but mapped as cycleway.

Just checked and there is a main road that is mapped as "bicycle=use_sidepath". I am not 100% that is 100% correct as the path has no sign as far as I can see but it looks appropriate here.

Where filipc did cross the road looks unsafe but 40 meter before it there is a crossing with traffic light that seems like a good choice.

Looking at the details it looks to me things are correctly mapped, good bicycle routers will take the correct roads.

NB: My mother language is Dutch, so feel free to switch, but English is also perfectly fine.

Which roads that are too dangerous to cycle on are we talking about? I had a look at Mapillary images yesterday and see there was a separated track and that looks safe enough for me, see for example https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=50.88914293777776&lng=4.35706397499996&z=17&pKey=z2n2LHt5-zqbSfMHn81EwQ&focus=photo

So either you are talking about another road (please share a Mapillary link if possible) or your standards on what is safe to cycle are different.

In this changeset way/356366271 bicycle=yes has been removed and bicyle=no and access=no added.

I think that is strange:

1) is the road really not accessible to all users? (access=no)
2) bicycle=no does in combination with cycleway=track does not make sense.

Can you indicate what is the real situation?

Thanks,

Martin.

I have corrected things in https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=101007397

Please let me know if you have further questions.

On using bicycle/foot=use_sidepath, see bicycle=use_sidepath

I am sure the current situation with cycleway=track + bicycle=use_sidepath is not correct. You can only use bicycle=use_sidepath if the cycleway is mapped as a separate way in OSM.

Hi Bobby,

I found this changeset because of http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?source=16352&item=3032&class=30329 and see the changes in this changeset (adding bicycle=no) are triggering many of them.

I find it strange to add "bicycle=no" to a road with cycleway=* but if you are really sure of your case, it would be good to have also these cycleway tags removed. I know of few bicycle route planners that give priority to cycleway tags over bicycle=no assuming "bicycle=no" was added in error.

Thanks,

Martin.

Toch weer typisch, je maakt denk ik beter een bij OSMand, https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd/issues want een fietsrouteplanner zou niet highway=footway moeten nemen tenzij het heel veel korter is, dan is de aanname dat je het stuk gaat lopen. In dat geval "helpt" bicycle=no ook niet.

Hi Brandon,

Thanks for following up, I was not sure and I am glad you took it up and corrected things.

Thanks!

Martin.

Hi,

This route included way/404061194 but that way got "bicycle=no" so I removed it from this route.

If this is not correct, please let me know or correct it.

Thanks,

Martin.

> For the tags, I merged them where :left: and :right: is the same. Not sure if that's advisable or how it's intended.

There is no hard truth, but I know route planners typically support the "common" case, after that :left and :right and after that :both

Yes, I see, Bing is pretty good, but you still need more details to fix the rest of Ansbach...

Checking https://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/#?map=15!49.2996!10.5685 I see there is even a cycle route through Ansbach so maybe one day I plan my cycling holiday through Ansbach ;-)

Ziet er prima uit en zeker mooi dat de GPS die details kan laten zien.

Eind goed, al goed!

Had a look (and found there is Bavaria (80cm) image data) and it looks good to me, an nice clean-up!

To review things, https://www.cyclosm.org/#map=16/49.3084/10.5630/cyclosm can be handy.

Had a look at https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org and see the tags you are using are not used that often but they are, so that is good.

For cycleways/sidewalks only separated by a kerb cycleway=track makes perfectly sense. Personally I hardly use cycleway=track but that is because in the Netherlands we almost do not have these types of cycleways.

Bedankt voor het uitgebreide verhaal, ik snap je redenatie en had beter de dicussie af kunnen wachten voor het te wijzigen.

Mijn eigen interpretatie van construction staat ook dingen toe als >de weg gewoon "weg" en dit wordt "on the ground" nog benadrukt met hoge hekken.< en ook de staat van de Oostsingel valt wat mij betreft onder construction.

Het probleem dat verkeer nog steeds rijdt via highway=construction is denk ik op te lossen met access=no.

Maar goed, ik laat het aan jou over, ik kom hier bijna nooit en het lijkt een aardig complex project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZxVFO_VTsY

No, the road does not lead to a freeway.

See changeset/100157543

Okay, had a better look and found changeset/17748638. The comment says what is done but not why.

> using separate ways for sidepaths, but if so, and I understand the wiki correctly, tagging on the road should be bicycle=use_sidepath.

Correct, see osm.wiki/DE:Tag:bicycle%3Duse_sidepath

I am frequently spending some time on http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?item=3032&class=30329 so I come across many of these problems. Often it is clear from the history what went wrong and I can correct it. That was not the case here and I am glad you can help!

Hi,

You added "bicycle=no" to the Rothenburger Straße, but now cycleway=track has been added, see http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?source=24685&item=3032&class=30329

Do you know what is correct?

Thanks,

Martin.