SA School Mapping Started
Posted by alexkemp on 25 May 2020 in English. Last updated on 8 July 2022.
- mathmos.net for postcode SA
- EduBase for Ysgol Y Bedol (wrong address)
- https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=school (wiki)
- Full list of Language subtags
English :: Welsh Cribsheet
- Carmarthenshire :: Sir Gaerfyrddin
- Carmarthenshire County Council :: Cyngor Sir Gâr
- Ceredigion :: Sir Ceredigion
- Ceredigion County Council :: Cyngor Sir Ceredigion
- Neath Port Talbot :: Castell-nedd Port Talbot
- Neath Port Talbot County Borough Council :: Cyngor Bwrdeistref Sirol Castell-nedd Port Talbot
- Pembrokeshire :: Sir Benfro
- Pembrokeshire County Council :: Cyngor Sir Penfro
- Powys :: Powys
- Powys County Council :: Cyngor Sir Powys
- City and County of Swansea :: Dinas a Sir Abertawe
- City and County of Swansea Council :: Cyngor Dinas a Sir Abertawe
I was impressed with the accuracy & fullness of detail in the English EduBase after doing ~1,000 schools. After only 3 entries my sentiments are at the opposite end of the bar where Welsh schools are concerned. That reached rock-bottom when the 3rd one (Ysgol Y Bedol, link above) turned out to be wrong in every respect - the site is being redeveloped for domestic housing (as best as I can tell) and a new building is built & functioning up the road at Twyn.
Type: Welsh establishment
Each school so far is marked as School type: Welsh establishment; I’ve searched & searched but cannot discover what on earth that is supposed to mean. My initial assumption is that it means bi-lingual (Welsh + English) (certainly how each website operates) and possibly has the local council as the operator. I would appreciate feedback from someone that knows, and also what mapping to use.
All of the 4 schools that I’ve updated so far are dual Welsh + English instruction. That does not get dealt with in the wiki dealing with schools, but here’s an example of the tags to deal with that:–
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:name=Ysgol Uwchradd Aberteifi
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:name:cy=Ysgol Uwchradd Aberteifi
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:name:en=Cardigan Secondary School
You will find a full list of language subtags at the iana.org subtag page;
English == ‘en’
Welsh == ‘cy’;
Information from the Horse’s Mouth
The Carmarthenshire Council Info-for-Parents PDF supplies all the info that is missing from EduBase, and then adds some.
Here is a précis of the language situation in Welsh schools (and just to say that it must be terrifying to have a behemoth like English breathing at their neck whilst trying to ensure that their native tongue survives):–
General Principles
Carmarthenshire believes in the educational value of being conversant in two languages and is strongly in favour of a bilingual policy in its primary schools. The long term aim of this bilingual policy is to teach children to be completely bilingual in the use of Welsh and English by the time they leave primary school, to enable them to become full members of the bilingual society of which they are a part.
| Language categories applied to Primary Schools | |
|---|---|
| WM: Welsh Medium: | at least 70% of teaching through medium of Welsh |
| DS: Dual Stream: | both languages side-by-side |
| TR: Transitional School: | both languages used but with greater emphasis on Welsh |
| EW: | mostly English |
| EM: English Medium School: | Welsh taught as a second language |
Finding the school Operator is as much a nightmare with Carmarthenshire schools as it is with English schools. The PDF talks in terms of “Admission Authorities”, and I suspect that that is as close as I am going to get. It’s a Minator’s labyrinth:
- There is no automatic right to a place at a school
- You must make an application to an admissions authority for your child to be admitted to a school
| Admission Authorities | |
|---|---|
| Community and Voluntary Controlled Schools: | (name of Authority not mentioned; probably Carmarthenshire County Council) |
| Voluntary Aided Church Schools, Protestant: | (name of Authority not mentioned; probably Church of Wales) |
| Voluntary Aided Church Schools, Catholic: | (name of Authority not mentioned; must be Catholic Church) |
Website gone awol
Website was the one EduBase weakness (sometimes missing, often wrong) but here it is completely absent. Even Google let me down but, thankfully, schoolswebdirectory came through and had each one so far.
27 May Update:
I found the website for full details on all Carmarthenshire schools, including their websites, via a Carmarthenshire Council Info-for-Parents PDF.
28 May Update:
Full details on all Pembrokeshire schools via a Pembrokeshire Council List-of-schools PDF & Ceredigion schools via the Council website (cannot find a PDF compilation).
29 May Update:
It has belatedly dawned on me that many of the schools that I’ve dealt with so far - and particularly the Welsh Medium schools - are predominantly Welsh-speaking. In that situation I should map them in Welsh & add the English version words as extras (rather than the other way round). I’ve been attempting to do that for each school. It does mean that my updates are terrifyingly slow, and I cannot guarantee to be doing it perfectly. But I’m doing the best I can.
30 May Update:
Swansea council added to the list at top. Unfortunately the webpage means clicking through 9 lists to find the single school that you want. Also found better replacements for logos + missing PDF compilations of schools (hint: “info for parents”).
1 June Update:
Powys council added to the list at top.
2 June Update:
NPT (Neath Port Talbot / West Glamorgan) council added to the list at top.
3 June Update on Diary Tables:
(this is info on editing these Diaries rather than about the Welsh Schools)…
HTML Tables were badly misused in the previous Millenia as layout devices, both because of the very poor CSS available + brain-dead decisions on the box-model chosen. There are, however, situations in which a Table is the precise layout required. In addition, in these Diaries the only way to get images to display side-by-side (horizontally) is to place them into a Table.
kramdown will accept Tables as both HTML (as “<table>”) or kramdown code (as Pipe chars “¦”) (the char shown there for a Pipe char is actually a broken vertical bar, since an actual pipe char will never show).
- Tables as HTML: These will NOT display kramdown code as kramdown
- Tables as kramdown: These will NOT display HTML code as html
7 June Update:
Welsh names added for NPT (Neath Port Talbot / West Glamorgan) + Swansea councils.
8 July 2022 Update:
Swansea logo updated (changed from a beta.swansea.gov.uk to a swansea.gov.uk).
Ah well, I’ll keep buggering on, as Churchill always advised.





Discussion
Comment from SK53 on 26 May 2020 at 12:15
I think Welsh Establishment just means it’s a school in Wales funded through the LA/Welsh Assembly, basically demonstrating that the Edubase system was designed for English schools. AFAIK there are no academies in Wales.
In general the primary schools will have Community or Gynradd as part of the name, the English form often abbreviated as CP: name is also often useful hint as to primary language medium.
Comment from alexkemp on 26 May 2020 at 18:37
So this is correct, then?
Any idea as to the Operator? Would it be Welsh Assembly or local Council or something else?