? an entry .. where ?

On your diary? .. I’d not be worried about that.. Into the OSM data base? Your edits go in something called a ‘changeset’ and they can be undone fairly easily … best done shortly after the entry is made.

Your not advising people to use the proposal process ? Would it not be better to do that .. so others can comment and possibly fix the name problem before it becomes a tag? And possibly fix other problems?

As an example .. temperature= is being used .. in some cases they use derivatives of temperature= … I’ve a proposal for temperature= .. osm.wiki/Proposed_features/Temperature and you can see some of the problems it has from the voting.. none of which address my concerns over it… which I’m not going to voice. Note: I take the voting as being on the proposal .. not any suggestions/recommendations that may be on the proposal .. those can be changed. Personally .. I would vote on the values too as a separate proposal .. particularly when there is contention. And I’d have a separate wiki page on the values if needed.

That may be too complicated for some .. but I’d encourage discussion on making a new tag on the tagging group at least.

Welcome to OSM & enjoy.

Sorry about the ankle. Hope that goes well, if the joint is bad you might consider bicycling to take the impact out of the walking/exercise.

There is lot in the local area once you get out of the car and the rush to get somewhere.. things you don’t notice untill you slow right down.

Enjoy.

Rovastar re read the text …

” Crossing gaps in the median strip are used for circulation during roadworks”

Implies not for other use. Thus access=no.

You are fortunate to live in such a ‘green’ city.

What rendering rules suits one place may not suit another. Map rendering in Australia and Africa show a blank map when zoomed out to show the whole continent. And the use of the map also should effect the rendering.

Hi,

The imagery offset can change in 500 meters .. so you need to be aware of that.

GPS traces are best if you have both ‘up’ and ‘down’ traces on opposite side of the road.

Survey points are nice when found and you get the official data.

Note that ‘we’ are drifting on the earths surface .. so as time goes by locations will change! But the important thing to realize is that the map users will tolerate a fair amount of ‘inaccuracy’ as long as what is seen is able to be recognized on the map and found using it.

shop=beverages sub tag cuisine=alcohol? :) Here they are usually pubs.

As far as ‘different things to different people’ that will allways be the case. Usually cultural and specific to a region/country/ethnicity.

Frederick left this comment on the tagging talk group.. I like it.

======================================================= There is no basic philosophy at the top level from which everything else can be derived. It’s like evolution - some things are a bit strange but you can often understand them by looking at how they came to be.

There is a tendency however to tag for

What things are? eg highways

simply because something can always have side effects that are not related to the primary purpose, or the primary purpose is not immediately obvious.

For example, a motorway is not only a transport feature, it is also an insurmountable barrier for pedestrians or cyclists.

Tagging is very often based on what you see, not what you know. If you see a body of water (and you might be doing that from aerial imagery, sitting 1000s of miles away), you tag it as a body of water even if you don’t know whether this is an artificial reservoir that supplies drinking water or a crater lake or anything else. Tagging

What things are used for? eg amenity

might require more knowledge than the mapper has, especially in the case of mapping from aerial imagery. =================================================

More comments/ideas please?

I second BushmanK comment above.

You can present many pages of verbose information to explain something. Some will read it all. Many (most) will only read to the stage that they think they understand and get on with what they want to do. So presenting the whole wiki page in taginfo will not do much good. Getting the basic info across in that first scan that people do is the best thing that ‘we’ can do. Details have to take second place. I’ve just changed some buildings from commercial to retail … very small differences.

” Regarding the radio telescopes: there is no “officially approved”. Do you really think, that a tag, that is used twice (once in Australia and once in Africa)”

An ‘array’ as in a number of things (in this case radio telescopes) arranged into some order.

At present there would be something like 6 each tagged in both Australia and Africa, eventually there will be 36 in Australia and I expect a similar number in Africa. And that is for these arrays only - Australia and Africa have others separate from these arrays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radio_telescopes list 100 around the world .. note that some of these are arrays .. meaning one listing is more than one telescope… They are significant navigational things in the landscape.

If it simply a question of the number of items to be mapped .. then taps would, I think, be significant in number (presently over 600 with user tags?) .. yet it has few votes. Now 5.

Anarchy? There are at least 12 tags in use for ‘tap’ as in the common water tap … when would ‘you’ make the decision to bring them all together? Years? Decades or centuries? Note how long ago the proposal for ‘radio telescope’ was made. And who decides what is the better tag? And who then does the work? And will the renders agree, or possibly stick with their probable previous decision/s?

Vs voting? There is currently a proposal for the tag ‘tap’ as in common water tap. There are presently at least 12 varieties in use. The proposal could bring them all together. Yet only 3 people have voted. Discussion has taken place with varieties of hot/cold/portable/boil for portable/constant flow/etc. That has delayed the vote and confused the issue. Rather than let people have tags for each would it not be better to guide them into sub tags .. using an ‘approved tag’? Voting on any sub tag would take placed after the ‘tap’ tap approval. No approval = no point in taking about hot and cold taps… At least with the tagging group their is discussion and possibly a concensius, while leaving to an individual tagger means OSM gets lots of differing tags all meaning the same thing.

I’m come from Australia, where voting is compulsory. History shows that less than 5% don’t attend and less than 5% are ‘informal’ (not filled out or incorrectly filled out) so less than 10% don’t effectively vote. Voting rates for OSM proposals are much much less .. and many fail due to lack of votes .. less than 40 people are making things ‘approved’!!!! Get off your bums and vote - that way ‘we’ might get things ‘approved’ rather than ‘rejected’ simply because they don’t have the required minimal number of votes….

Maybe along with the green ‘approved’, red ‘rejected’ we also need an orange ‘apathetic’ classification.

Why do things need to be ‘approved’? I’ll take ‘radio telescopes’ as one example.. There is a current project to construct a ‘square kilometer telescope array’ by an international consortium. The have chosen to split it into two arrays (of differing reception frequencies), one in Africa the other in Australia. The people in Africa are using one tag, while the people in Australia are using another … neither is ‘approved’. None of the renders I use display them. If both used the same tag and the other tagged radio telescopes were also appropriately tagged and it was ‘officially approved’ then there might be a better change of it being rendered…

I’d think a forum would attract more people. More people = a wider view = better outcome. It also encourages more discussion. The only reason I’m on the talk list is to be aware of upcoming tag voting. Some of these fail due to lack of ‘yes’ votes .. I would like to see more people voting, even if they are not ‘yes’. Some proposed tags fail to proceed to voting due to side issues eg tag for tap .. failing to proceed due to potability discussion. That may be more of a problem with a forum .. but can be deal with by making a new proposal (for taps .. new tag potability, and taps proceeds onwards).

Here in Australia .. there are missing road names.. so numbers are of less concern. Old maps had no house numbers… in some remote parts of Australia numbers are not used .. they use the name of the house/property/station/homestead. Considering that the next place may be some 100s of kms away a physical survey would take some time.

A local physical survey is much better at getting stuff that would be difficult to import. I use the smart phone camera and voice recorder to remember stuff for later entry into OSM. Data imports certainly fill the map quickly and can be mostly accurate. Don’t know the accuracy rate of the data import vs the manual entry from survey, suspect it is similar. But the survey will get a variety of stuff that would need many different data imports .. if they are available.

As you have found .. the GPS does not perform well in these situations. So others GPS will also have similar problems. This is when mapping become actually more important. The map should represent what is on the ground so that a person there can gather clues as to what track to take. So I’d not be too worried by ‘accuracy’ in location but much more concerned with ‘accurate’ representation of the features so it can be used as a map without GPS.

The GPS reported location should include something on the ‘error’ .. use that as a guide as to how far out the recorded tracks could be. The mapping you put into OSM should take the GPS tracks as a guide ..

My smart phone GPS tracks .. well it does the Glonass thing too .. but it is not as good in tree cover as my much older non Glonass GPS .. its an obsolete Garmin 60Cx … umm 7 years old. The smart phone looses satellites where the 60Cx does not. If you have an older dedicated GPS that way work better than the newer stuff.

No request for comments .. went straight to voting.. Little to no geographic (map) data .. OSM = OS Map as in Map.

I’d be in opposition to this re-proposal.

Yes .. there is lots of the world yet to do. Adding water quality to water sources just doesn’t rate compered to mapping a long road, a village/town or a river. I’m doing bits of India .. considering a holiday there so I’m adding and improving bits that could be part of my holiday, I’d have thought DRC would have considerable tree coverage thus blocking good satellite view of the roads? Or are you doing cities, not long interconnecting roads?

Welcome.

I’d look at the present approved tags. If you need another tag then select something similar and think of a new name and propose it on the tagging list .. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging .. this way the ‘experts’ get to have a say .. might come up with a better idea .. or show that it already exists… Adding your own ‘special’ tags can lead to others deleting them … as they don’t know what it is for and it ‘annoys’ them. Never the less you may not get many people looking at your work so it may well survive.

Welcome.

The advantages of OSM data being freely usable leads to there use for offline maps .. in GPSes, smartphones.. and they can be freely printed out for ‘conventional’ use… and people are using the data to make their own style of maps too. Much more is being done in a practical sense with OSM data than is done with Google.

What to edit… whatever you have local knowledge of is probably best to start with. No one remote form the location can map as well as a local. If you find something in the OSM data that you ‘know’ is not there .. don’t delete it, make a note on it .. if you really need to .. remove the other tags .. but include what you delete in the tags. When I first started I deleted something that I knew was not there… past it every day on the way to work .. not there … later I went to something 20 meters away .. and actually saw that it was really there … so I had to remap it!

What am I doing? There is a local intersection that I’m slowly adding data to, local to me so I know it well. And I see the mistakes non locals make there so I add stuff to help them. Other stuff local to me is good. Except some bicycle related stuff is I think incorrectly mapped, but I need to go there and see. I’m also considering a holiday in India.. so I looked at the OSM data there and found .. lots of roads not connected, missing roads, villages … main roads ‘coarsely’ mapped as fairly straight lines rather than the twists and turns they actually have. I cannot map things like hotels, ATMs etc as I’m not local… but I can map the other things thus any local can come along and add the things I cannot and not use their time to map the stuff I can. So ..I’d encourage a ‘new’ local to map the stuff you cannot get off a satellite image at is local to you. This way if you ‘ware out’ you will have contributed stuff that no armchair mapper could. But it is really up to you - where your interests are.

Good Luck.