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In Australia fires occur that can remove tree cover (leaves and small branches). The area then usually revegetates (eg new leaves etc on the old tree). As that is ‘temporary’ I’d not map it. Some of these fires are ‘natural’ - started by lightening. Past practice by the Aboriginals was to make regular low level fires (say less than 1 m height) .. this removed rubbish scrub, encouraging new growth that attracts animal (for hunting) and makes walking through the country easier. They would burn a patch of land this year, a different patch next year. There are attempts to continue this practice .. unfortunately the desire is not matched by the commitment of resources - large areas are not burn off as regularly as they should.

My view;

‘natural=wood’ … trees here. They may be grafted, plated by humans .. etc etc. In other words they are not necessarily ‘natural’ but include artificial, non native … pretty well anything tree. I do think the key word ‘natural’ is a very poor choice .. and should be split into two keys - landcover and landform. For ‘natural=wood’ I read ‘landcover=trees’.

‘landuse=forest’ An area used to harvest tree products … includes lumber, wood pulp, oils (eucalyptus, tea tree etc), rubber, maple syrup. The thing here is ‘land use’ .. the land is used to produce something … in this case a forest. Most of the time it will have trees, some of the time it may have harvesting operations, bare ground, seedlings.

Which OSM-Garmin map did you get? There are a few of them!

Addresses … I’d estimate over 80% coverage for road names in NSW following LPI data release to OSM. However some city/suburb names are not correct!
You will need to look at what is missing - city name/area or road name. Then find the information - in a non copyright form that can be used in OSM. Do no use copyright data! Then enter it correctly.

Your talking landuse. A landuse=forest does not mean the area is always covered in trees .. for some of the time an area maybe harvested - trees cut down for processing into lumber, paper etc. I would expect the same can be implied for landuse=reservoir.

Because something is ‘depreciated’, ‘rejected’ or even ‘abandoned’ does not stop it from being used. Yesterday I used the tags “sport=cricket_nets” and “temperature=” for example. I’ll keep on doing that … untill there is something better to use, or possibly these tags are ‘recognized’. Another approach is dual tagging as existed for swimming pols where both leisure and amenity were used .. and both still exist in the database.

One problem is the key ‘natural’ … it is now taken in OSM as being for both ‘natural’ (dictionary definition) and ‘unnatural’ (dictionary definition).

In an ideal world .. I would see the key ‘natural’ split into two keys - ‘landcover’ and ‘landform’ (I am not fixed on the names .. but the intention).

landcover=liquid would be suitable .. as you cannot determine what kind of liquid from a satellite view. If the type of liquid is known then a sub key can be used .. liquid=water, sewage, etc.

For the whole world - taginfo https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/bicycle_parking#map

Broken CD? Broken as in scratched rather than in a million pieces.

Even CDs are getting old hat ..

And in some countries marriages can be conducted in backyards, beaches, parks, mountain tops.

Hopefully on the wiki.

If not then asking on a talk group,

‘We’ all make errors from time to time. Don’t be afraid of making them … it is one of the ways ‘we’ learn. Most of the time I catch mine a day later. Much more important to add new things rather than simply modify old things. Roads, tracks, paths and huts are also ‘missing’ in the area… go for it.

Well spotted TheSwavu … I do wonder if adding all those areas and easements is really worthwhile.. I’d certainly not add them if I were simply tracing off the LPI Base Map. I was wondering if another relation to separate up the ways would have helped.

I have just downloaded the garmin map rendering .. with mapnik typ .. that is rendering correctly. Dated 26/3/16 .. so it was ok some time ago (rendering takes some time so data would have been before that date). http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ The rendering on osm.org/ is not correct .. this may ‘just’ be a rendering issue there.

Guide books are general copyright … don’t use them to get data unless they are copyright free or you have specific permission in writing. If you do have specific permission then you need to add it to the OSM data somewhere - do a google to find it. You can use the LPI Base map … that does have cliff positions … if not names of clifts, It does have the major creek names, hill tops names and some other names.

The original boundary I put in would be accurate to within 3 metres .. meaning they should not be moved. Broken into segments - yes, moved no. Some adjacent things have a gap - a legal easement between them - so they should not be combined. Entering the original data is easy - breaking it up into shared ways takes time.

The stuff I saw yesterday in JOSM is correct as far as JOSM can ‘see’. But I did not download all the combined relations. That will take some time - I don’t have that at the moment. Once I do that (some weeks) I’ll then break up the large area into adjacent small areas and see what renders .. where it does not I’ll look in detail for ‘errors’, if I cannot ‘see’ errors then I’ll break up those into smaller bits and so on untill I find out what is happening.. process of elimination.

You will also have the occasional cloud … a different image provider can help, though usually you would be using the one with the best resolution so the second one won’t be as good.

I usually use bing, with mapbox being the secondary image provider. Hoping for cloud free images, or at least one cloud free.

Humm .. nothing I can ‘see’ as an error.

I’ll give it some time (weeks) and see what happens. if it still does not render than I’ll chop up the large area in to several smaller areas to try and isolate the problem, this is not something that is ‘good’ but a work around to find the problem. Once the problem is found and fixed I’d recombine the areas back into one area. Finding the problem will be much simpler with a much smaller area. I think that is a way of working out what is going on?

Cliffs … Can be mapped using the LPI Base Map … I think this is better than trying to use an image or contour lines, they are fairly clear in the Base Map - making mapping easy. I have added a few … but here are lots in there.

The Warba (sp?) Ridge Trail .. I will have to go back and mark that as ‘disused’ as I have found out that NP want it to ‘disappear’ by regrowth. It is still there and some parts won’t regrow for quite some time.

I put the Wollemi NP boundaries in from The LPI Admin boundaries, simplified the ways using JOSM to 3 meters, and combined them with various boundaries for common ways. I’ll have a look at the present configuration and see if there are any errors. Note that using the LPI Admin boundaries is much better (more accurate and less time) than using the Base Map. When I put them in … I was disappointed that they did not render .. but left them for some time. I did alter another mapper about it and they looked at it .. but nothing significant happened. As you say it is a large area. Relation: Wollemi National Park (5901253) .. edited 13 hours ago. Humm no reall change as far as I can see, other than some source entries on way that are not absolutely correct. Other than the deletion of area I have named .. and those names are real, so I have re entered them.

That did not come out well … an edit.

A year? Time flys!

Road classification probably done to suit the majority .. western people. Simply a function of where OSM started and the support base of people.

For the less ‘well developed’ using the classification system to indicate what roads to use is the best that can be done. Some map renders will show the road surface (unpaved, dirt, rock, grass, ground are some). There have been attempts to have road difficulty added but those have been rejected .. probably due to a lack of appreciation of the problem in the ‘less well developed’ places.

‘Tracks’ should be possible to use a vehicle along ..think 4WD? If that is not possible I’d use highway=path… but that is for my part of the world.

Looking at ‘it’ (people view of their ‘world’)… everyone expects things to be a certain way in ‘their’ part of the world .. for example supermarkets have a row of chocolate in some places… in other places loafs of bread are sold frozen. So what is a ‘main highway’ can be a different expectation in different parts of the world. I think the ‘top’ and ‘bottom’ are about the same in broad terms, but the middle is very different. And the amount of the ‘top’ and ‘bottom’ simply reflects the wealth or poverty of that part of the world.

A year? Time flys!

Road classification probably done to suit the majority .. western people.

For the less ‘well developed’ using the classification system to indicate what roads to use is the best that can be done. Some map renders will show the road surface (unpaved, dirt, rock, grass, ground are some)add road. There have been attempts to ave road difficulty added but those have been rejected .. probably due to a lack of appreciation of the problem in the ‘less well developed’ places.

‘Tracks’ should be possible to use a vehicle along ..think 4WD? If that is not possible I’d use highway=path… but that is for my part of the world.

Looking at ‘it’… everyone expects things to be a certain way in ‘their’ part of the world .. for example supermarkets have a row of chocolate in some places… in other places loafs of bread are sold frozen. So what is a ‘main highway’ can have a different expectation in different parts of the world.

Tracks 4 Australia i think predates OSM? Anyway … I would like to do a ‘Adventure Australia OSM’ garmin rendering .. but that is a long term thing for me. If i manage to do that .. then I’d release it (of course). Reversing it so as to semi hide the unpaved may be possible .. maybe making them ‘access=no’ where surface=unpaved etc would make it usable for paved only people.

There have been 2 Garmin GPS maps that spring to mind for the 4x4 crowd; Tracks 4 Australia Tracks 4 Africa

The Australian one on out of date … but freely available for download.
Both place emphasis on unpaved roads. The reverse of what you want. But ther is a demand for such maps. And I think most of the demand for these because of the past maps, is from Garmin GPS users.

I would think that the paved ones might have some demand for smart phone use? Possibly OSMand?

Those who think a survey is required to identify a city .. well they need to do some more mapping. (Not napping.)

It should be possible to make a semi automated replacement for trailing abbreviations - those; at the end of the text have a leading space character

They should match a string e.g. St St. st st. Ave etc. and be replaced with the appropriate full string. Each replacement should be confirmed or rejected by a single key/mouse press - thus not a full automation, but removes typo to a great extent.

This process can not only be used for nodes but for ways that are also tagged highway=* areas that are also tagged for addresses (things like buildings, parks may all have street addresses).

I would be a little more cautious of leading abbreviations like Saint.