There’s http://mdl29.net/projets/open-street-view/ which got a bit of funding from french local touristic agencies. They have a bit of code for the viewer, but are also actively working on DIY hardware (using a phone has many drawbacks).

Progress isn’t very speedy and they don’t have a place to upload your own panos yet, but it’s still a promising project that could do with some extra help.

“On ne peut toujours pas trouver et afficher nos notes” @JBacc1/notes ne répond pas au problème ?

FWIW, I do not like tools like Keypadmapper because they create either a node or a GPX waypoint which isn’t merged with the existing data. Your mockup saves on typing but suffers from the same problem.

My workflow for housenumbers is to first trace buildings from imagery, then survey and map using Vespucci. I do this while walking and rarely stop, so there are “holes” in my mapping that I fix afterwards in JOSM. If some geometry needs to be changed (for example a building that needs to be split in two), I add a fixme tag in Vespucci.

I’d welcome a reduction in the number of clicks in Vespucci, but I’m not sure your mockup would help : it seems too specialized (I often map POIs as well when I do housenumbers) and only addresses the typing of the actual number (BTW, what about bis/ter/etc ?), not getting to that stage. To me, typing numbers is less of an issue than needing 4 well-aimed clicks to be able to begin typing.

What is your process for displaying data that is (presumably) coming from OSM but using different boundaries ? Just a set of manually-edited polygons in an overlay, or something smarter ?

Seeing as there’ll always be governments that do not agree with OSM’s set of boundaries, it’d be nice if there was a howto to render custom borders.

There’s plenty of blanks to fill too.

You’re welcome to fork OSM data and relicense it as PD. Between contributors who won’t agree to the relicense and imported data that cannot be relicensed as PD, you’ll have to delete a lot of stuff before you can declare your data PD.

The share-alike question has been debated a lot already, but if you want to change the status quo today you’ll need to put in a lot of energy.

Personally, I’d be very happy for Google (to pick a polarising example) to start using OSM data, but not if they can just take it and say “it’s ours”. Crowd-sourcing vs crowd-serfing. Without SA, It’s also quite likely to be a one-time import that really doesn’t benefit the osm data.

The SA requirement make it harder to use OSM data in some situations, but it doesn’t make it impossible. Just don’t merge datasets with incompatible licences, use them in parrallel instead.

We could certainly listen to people/governments who have PD data but don’t want to put it in OSM because of workflow issues (there’s no licensing issue for PD->ODBL). I think that maintaining/curating imported data is the main issue.

I also can’t see how OSM would become irrelevant unless it drops SA. It’s plenty relevant today, we’ve got more contributors than anybody, and we’re growing fast. The future is bright, SA isn’t slowing us down.

Thanks for the retrospective :)

There’s always that problem with OSM contests: people will start gaming the scoring algorythm at the detriment of contribution quality. This is especially true if you target the contest at relative newbies (as I assume most scouts are).

It’s very hard to avoid that (it’s human nature), and I imagine it’s one of the reason why we don’t see more contests (which are otherwise fun and positive). Maybe we should ditch automatic scoring altogether, and use a jury appreciation instead. But of course that a lot more work to organize.

I like that, but I’m a bit worried that I won’t notice when a completion is just for the current textbox, or will autofill other stuff as well. Can I choose between auto-filling just the current field or all the preset’s fields ? Does undo work on the autofill, maybe spliting the action into ‘autofill textbox’ and ‘autofill preset’ ?

Another point is that the use-case for vespucci is very different from desktop editors. For example, I do mostly housenumbers and POIs in Vespucci, wereas my JOSM edits are more varied. It would be great if the completion index prioritised data from vespucci changesets, so that for example “addr:housenumber” comes up before “admin_level”.

Re “flags about the estimated live span of objects” we do have end_date along with other suggestions. But there is a fair amount of resistance to the idea, because of the risk of making a big mess (very few tools support the end_date tag, for starters), and many people would rather shove that data away to OpenHistoricalMap.

I’d agree with you in this particular instance, but where do you put the limit on what is “transient” ? Something that disappears after 1 day ? week ? month ? year ? How certain must the end date be ? Roadworks come to mind as something that everybody will rate differently.

I’m playing the devil’s advocate here, but I think that “I feel this feature is permanent enough to map” is likely to always win because bikesheding will ensure that “permanent enough” never gets a good definition.

Thanks for the ongoing work, will try the prereleases.

Welcome to OSM :)

Editing the map so that everybody can benefit is the whole idea of OSM. Working on private map data is only usefull/necessary in niche corner cases you’re probably not interested in.

You can wait until your OSM changes trickle down to your Garmin the usual way, or you can download more frequently-updates maps or even make your own.

Concerning your changes, you probably want to add layer=-1 to your tunnel. I also see that some of your ways seem to end nowhere. Make sure to connect them to the rest of the network if applicable.

It’s arguably not worth maping the “inacessible because of snow” bit, unless it is quite regular and predictible. In that case, you could use time-based conditional access but I’m not aware of a routing engine that actually uses that info.

Try finding current ones using http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/?zoom=7&lat=0.88122&lon=114.25824&layers=BTT (you can set up an rss link too) or http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=7&lat=1.24744&lon=115.9274&layers=B00TFFFFFT

For some reason, there seem to be a lot of overenthusiastic railway mappers who have a looser view of “it exists” than other mappers.

I try to be conservative and understanding when deleting stuff, but when I see tracks going thru buildings or swamps perfectly visible on Bing, it casts a shadow over the rest of the user’s contributions.

Very nice and usefull writeup, thanks.

s/suggestive/subjective/ excuse by bad English.

There are many slightly different opinions on help.o.o.

My POV is that

• The usual “tag the dominant use” rule applies.
• Since living quarters tend to “sneak in” avery building but not the reverse, and because shops are arguably more interesting to map viewers, commercial/retail/office should probably get a bit of priority over residential.
• It’s all a bit suggestive anyway, don’t worry too much.

Thanks for sharing. The indexes are good hints, even though which ones you need depend on your stylesheet, and some of them look quite heavy-handed :p For the PG settings however :

• sync_commit=off and fsync=off are a bad idea unless you’re ready to delete and rebuild your whole db every now and then. Definitely not for everyone.
• similarly, random_page_cost=1.1 is only for SSD users.
• changing kernel.shmmax does nothing for performance : it’s either high enough or not, and if running PG>=9.3 you probably don’t need to touch it. I guess you mean changing PG’s shared_buffers ?
• I never measured a need to change wal_buffers. Increasing checkpoint_segements and checkpoint_completion_target however is nearly always usefull.
• for an insert-rarely db it might make sense to run vacuum only after each data import, otrherwise you really shouldn’t disable it or even make it more aggressive.
• On the subject of analyze, raising default_statistics_target can be very usefull.
• Have you tried pgfouine or pgbadger before writing your own log analyzer ?

Even though it is redundant, I still think it’d be a good idea to link to that page from the main page (next to the attribution/donation links), because it makes it more discoverable :

• By third-parties using osm data, who can see a best-practice example of what to put on their own site.
• By casual non-contributing visitors, who can miss the other links because those aren’t in the format / location they expect,

The message is complete, it translates to “I’m overloaded and can’t provide your image immediately. Comme back later, it should be ready…” and is displayed when the rendering server can’t keep up with current demand.

It’s normally quite rare to see that replacement image, so I don’t think that it has been made translatable.

You are viewing the humanitarian map layer, which happens to be rendered on servers from osm France, so that message is in French. Other layers might use a different error image, for example the opencyclemap layer displays its logo with a “more osm comming soon” message.