Much better.

You could use OSM Tracker for Android, customise the layout of buttons to have turn restrictions as default buttons for easy access when driving along or waiting at traffic signals.

I think you're spot on about the need for outreach, Harry. Let's see how things go with those pioneers we know about in UK local gov, and think about a larger weekday event later in the year / early next year to draw in potential early adopters with some nice Brent/Southwark/Surrey/GLA case studies.

p.s. my surname is Chance not Acrewoods ;-)

The buildings definitely look better when you have them all in, but we also need to:

- reduce their prominence (they crowd out other features with that dark colour)

- distinguish between different types of buildings, mainly so you can distinguish important buildings from your average apartment block or office

Sorry not to have joined you in the pub! Though I'm not that great at the quizzes, I always "know" the answer about 5 mins too late :)

I think we're all guilty of not getting around to many interesting & useful projects :)

Dmuecke, that spec looks *scary*! I think I'll carry on with the basic stuff already agreed for now.

Hey great, I did a lot of the early mapping in St Albans yonks ago, glad to see it is looking much more complete & still getting love.

Hey, that's great, it even managed to find my building.

My sympathies! I've got to the point in Peckham/East Dulwich where I'm adding house numbers, which is a good deal less fun than pubs :)

osm.org/?lat=51.4619&lon=-0.06647&zoom=15

Thanks for the writeup & initiative in organising, there are quite a few crazy housing estates in the area so I'm glad for the mapping assistance!

I've got all my data in now, the many buildings make me wish for Mapnik rules to make "unimportant" buildings (i.e. apartments, houses, offices, etc.) much more faded and perhaps restricted to zoom levels 17 & 18.

You mean Peckham? :-)

I've got the word out to a few local residents lists and a forum, it has definitely aroused some interest!

Afraid not! All of the various tools are maintained by different people, and the map layers on the OSM front page are treated as sensible default views on a database that contains tonnes of other data. The mapnik stylesheet is maintained by Steve Chilton, who is a pretty experienced cartographer.

The archaelogical site? It doesn't appear to be in the Mapnik stylesheet:

http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik/osm.xml

You could add a request to trac.openstreetmap.org with a suggestion of how it could look. I guess they might also be clamping down on names for areas that don't have a specific style rule, but mention the fact that the name has disappeared in the trac ticket.

I'm glad to see someone picking up the St Albans mantle! It would be good to fill in the landuse areas in The Camp area where I started, hint hint ;-)

I have to say that in principle I 100% support the idea behind xybot -- it's ridiculous to prefer inaccurate tagging because of some individualistic desire to have "your" data stay intact in a community database -- but I do think it would be good to find a better way to make the wider community feel included in its operation.

Here's my suggested process:

Once a month, regular as clockwork, add a new tranch of suggested corrections to a wiki page, and allow a month's discussion. If there is more than a whiff of serious complaint, exclude it and move the suggested correction to a wiki page where people can see disputed corrections. If people seem generally happy with the correction, add it to the documented list of accepted corrections. Also allow

Leave xybot to run with the accepted corrections.

Not the 19th, but I'm free on the next two Weds dates on the wiki.

Oh, and we really need to distinguish between homes & other random buildings (which should be a paler fill and only at the highest zoom level), and important buildings (which should show up as all buildings currently do). It's a right mess at the moment!

I popped a pub recommendation onto the wiki when I added Peckham, it's a 5 min walk from the south edge of the area to be mapped. I have to admit I don't go to pubs in the centre of that area much!

In the south part of Peckham and in East Dulwich I've done quite fiddly landuse areas making sure that open space / railways etc. are outside of any landuse, and retail/industrial is all marked in. They're quite a useful navigation aid when walking around, help people quickly understand where shopping etc. areas are, a useful way to say "this area is pretty well mapped" and IMO they look nice. I reckon we just need to bite the bullet and do this everywhere, and treat landuse as another part of the map furniture along with POIs and other things Google doesn't bother with :)

Hey, Peckham is a perfectly nice place! :P Tch, we've come on a bit since the Desmonds, y'know!

What about a landuse party / drive to complement the POI mission? London looks really unattractively patchy with some largeish residential areas marked in but loads missing.

Thanks for the report, Harry! I got in touch with them too, I live & map in Southwark and have been in touch with BARGEs through Southwark Green Party anyway. Thomas and I have talked a bit about taking our Sutton map ideas to Southwark.

A green map style would be good, I spent ages playing with Mapnik for the Sutton map which was fun, but it was quite a lot to maintain and the OSM stylesheet kept adding more useful features so our style ended up being less useful.

One thing I wonder is whether we stick to Open Layers or use the CloudMade API, and also if we can grab tiles made with the style editor and pull them into a standard OpenLayers site? I also want to pull in the OpenStreetBugs stuff that the Midlands guys integrated into their Mappa Mercia site.