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A few days ago a few mappers in the UK noted that Bing imagery seemed somewhat out-of-date. I noticed it because it appeared not to show recent housing developments until zoomed in at z20. I found a development just outside the village of Llanbedr Dyffryn Clwyd whilst mapping rooftop solar in Denbighshire. My workflow for solar mapping uses Josm. As all the new houses had solar panels I wanted to add the buildings themselves, and I find the way in which imagery can be aligned easier to use in iD than in Josm (particularly as the offset needs cancelling in Josm which does not fit task-based mapping over several thousand square kilometres). So I did it a little crudely in Josm, only to discover that at z20 the imagery was available in iD, so I tidied things up a bit.

I didn’t think much about it until a local mapper in the area commented that Bing seemed a bit behind. This seemed a bit more significant, so I looked at my local university campus which is under continual development and therefore has lots of features which enable one to age imagery. To my consternation the zoom levels down to z19 showed a building which was demolished at least 7 years ago. Whilst looking at this area just now, the z20 imagery appears to be disappearing from cache.

A short distance South of the University is the Nottingham tram line which was well under construction in 2013 because a major bridge was put in place in September of that year. The ‘updated’ Bing imagery now pre-dates the tram development, and any construction work on the Chinese Studies building which opened in January 2013. It does show a new lecture theatre on the main campus which was built post-2009. It therefore appears that the imagery has reverted to a state around 2011 or 2012. Co-incidentally or not, this seems to be the same as ESRI Clarity.

I’ve looked at a couple of other places where I know construction work bridges this period:

  • CMU Campus N of Forbes Avenue, Pittsburgh. A lot of new buildings replaced a car park and Forbes itself has been extensively re-modelled to incorporate bike lanes. Bing imagery at all zoom levels seems relatively recent.
  • Hardbrücke, Zurich. The former terminus balloon loop of the Number 8 tram has changed and the tram now enters and crosses the bridge (opened in 2017 IIRC). Bing imagery pre-dates the tramline extension.

Several others have noticed similar changes in the UK, and there is a relevant Github issue for the iD editor. The deterioration in usefulness of the Bing imagery appears to be associated with a recent Pull Request designed to eliminate problems with OSM editors exceeding a daily allowance from Bing. Regular Bing Maps shows much newer data, e.g., at Hardbrücke and the QMC tram stop.

I’ve posted a few screengrabs of these location on Imgur

I don’t know how long this will take to resolve at the code/organisation level, but I think it is important that people editing be aware that Bing imagery may be considerably older than they may believe. Clearly at this stage it has not inconvenienced too many people editing. Bing Imagery in other editors is not affected.

PS. The Bing imagery in other editors is largely recent Maxar imagery and was updated around the end of April. In many places across Wales this new imagery is poorer than that which preceded it (true also in Nottingham, where I could see the works for a new underground 11kV cable which I watched being installed).

Location: Maes Famau development, Llanbedr Dyffryn Clwyd, Denbighshire, Wales, LL15 1BF, United Kingdom
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Comment from 快乐的老鼠宝宝 on 2 July 2022 at 21:03

We don’t know how Bing is doing in other parts of the world before, but as far as the Mainland of China community concerned, we found that Bing Imagery was very outdated at least two years ago. We usually use the Esri or Maxar Imagery in the editor as the background for Armchair Mapping of unmapped area.

However, the iD editor selects Bing Aerial Imagery by default, so many newcomers often change the roads/buildings to the state of many years ago when they first come into OSM (some areas are only 1-2 years behind, and the images in many economically undeveloped areas are at least behind 5 years), so a big challenge for the OSMChina community is how to discover that newcomers have inadvertently drawn historical elements that no longer exist, and explain to them on time.

Thanks to other mapper friends that also found this problem.


我们不知道Bing在世界上其他地区的表现如何,但就中国大陆社区而言,至少在两年前我们便发现Bing影像已非常过时。我们通常采用编辑器内的Esri或Maxar影像作为对欠绘制区域Armchair Mapping时的依据。

但iD编辑器默认选择Bing航空影像,因此很多新人第一次接触OSM时仍经常会将道路或建筑改至多年前的状态(部分地区仅落后1-2年,而很多经济不发达地区的影像至少落后5年),因此中国大陆社区面临的一大挑战是如何发现新人不慎绘制了已不存在的历史要素,并及时向其说明。

很感谢有其他编辑者朋友亦发现了这一问题。

Comment from SK53 on 3 July 2022 at 09:10

Hi 快乐的老鼠宝宝

Thanks for this most useful comment. I’ve added a link to it on the (relevant issue)[https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/7787] on the iD github project.

Jerry aka SK53

Comment from stick2 on 5 July 2022 at 10:50

If imagery tiles carried a date, then feature edits could be tagged with that, and warnings given. Further, priority could be given to most-recent imagery.

Comment from 喵耳引力波 on 5 July 2022 at 14:49

@stick2

Yes, if imagery have a specific date, it will be very useful for mapper choosing which one to use.

For example, a square in Beijing: osm.org/edit#map=18/39.90677/116.36960 (No ortho-aerial imagary provided so only can use editor inlined.) The plaza was rebuilt three years ago and completed a year ago. Bing’s is still in the construction stage, Esri/Mapbox/Maxar’s can be seen to have been built, and Esri (Clarity) is obviously a long time ago.

Take China as an example. As everyone know, High-precision orthophotos are prohibited from being published on the Internet in China, which also violates OSM’s copyright principles. In recent years, China’s infrastructure construction has been very fast. Our mappers often find that on satellite map has not been started, but actually been built on the ground. And most of them cannot be accurately drawn. This square is a good example.

  • Maxar
  • Bing
  • Mapbox
  • Esri World Imagery
  • Esri World Imagery (Clarity) Beta

Only Esri World Imagery give a specific date in this year, sometimes zoom in and out you will find only 1 zoomlevel’s Maxar (usually in z16) have date. (Not all regions fit this conclusion) Mapbox/Maxar/Esri will all be tested and define by local mapper according to on the ground survey.

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