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61451217 over 7 years ago

Look, I'm sorry. I don't mean to get in your face about this. Over my first-thing-in-the-morning coffee, I saw two messages without a pause for a reply and immediately thought, "Great. Here we go again."

Last year, some dork really was changing things that I had laid down. He lives in Virginia and usually messes with things in Western Maine—there is a lot to do over there, and I avoid doing data work there. I'm concerned with the poor condition of data in my local area. Apparently, he noticed that work was being done in my "neck of the woods," and took it upon himself to start doing things his way without coordination, without using any sense of standards, etc. Hell, I verify every single road that I tweak with the state and often I visit the area for further verification. That's a step that someone a thousand miles away in Virginia simply can't do, yet new roads were popping up and being used as if they were "real." They weren't, and it was really annoying to clean up his efforts.

I am sorry for my misunderstanding.

61451217 over 7 years ago

Hey! I'm not just "destroying multipolygons at…will." I've been doing this type of work for about 30 years, long before open source was a concept, so I have a very strong sense of what data integrity should look like so that it works correctly. I simply wish that when someone steps into an area, that more coordination happened between editors towards the same end rather than towards cross purposes.

You've given me a LOT to reply to. In particular, you mention https://www.nps.gov/kaww/planyourvisit/upload/Katahdin-Woods-and-Waters-Recreation-Map.pdf as a potentional source. This map is a solid source, but you read the information on it incorrectly; as I mentioned above, the correct line for this township is north of Kelloch Mountain. This map corroborates this assertion, although it is not a well-designed map, and your interpretation is an easy mistake to commit.

Although it is not labeled, the actual township line falls between points 3 and 4 (and slightly north of point 7) on this map: https://bdn-data.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs.dir/37/files/2017/08/FKWW-Loop-Rd-map-web-page-001.jpg This map was produced by a non-profit organization that works closely with the National Park Service. It also corroborates your source when you take into account the poor map design.

Its nice to use a PDF like yours—it IS an official source (although it is NOT authoritative). Personally, I use MEGIS (q.v. via Googling MEGIS) for my data sources. This data IS authoritative and better for this type of verification. IMO.

61451217 over 7 years ago

Honestly, I don't like someone watching over my shoulder like this. The last time someone else jumped in to "help" screwed up what I was working on and I simply gave up editing for almost a year. I find myself in a similar situation today: an over zealous person who is located nowhere near here, has zero local knowledge of this area, who meddles without asking for answers first. I'm sorry that I work for a living and I cannot watch for changeset reversions at 3:00 am.

If you would like to be helpful, please put it back the way you found it, and when I have time, I will fix this problem using properly sourced materials from the State of Maine. And if you're going to send a message asking for a response—as you did—kindly allow a reasonable amount of time to respond.

61451217 over 7 years ago

I deleted it a couple of days ago because it was in the wrong place. Your new line, too, is in the wrong location. The actual boundary is north of Kelloch Mountain.