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I'd rather have 93% of data under a usable licence, than 100% of it under an unusable one. I'm voting 'yes' too.

Incidentally, could you remove the obviously fake entries from the poll? I'm thinking "Adolf", "Sadam", "Pol Pot", "IchgrüßemeineMama" etc. which all appeared one after each other in quick succession and were almost certainly postings by a single person.

"It is a fact that the process is a gun on our heads"

Er, it's not a fact, it's a metaphor.

Avid Manifold users are well known for being, shall we say, a little unbalanced. Look through the archives at spatiallyadjusted.com for more.

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OpenStreetMap is not the place to advertise your hotels. Please delete these entries.

Also, this diary is just a blog. It isn't in the database. So you're not even advertising in the right place.

It's on the list to fix but not a very high priority, to be honest!

It never actually creates two keys the same. If you click away and then reselect, you'll see only one of them is there.

The blue-signed routes in Cambridge form a coherent local cycling network and were intended to do so. So yes, absolutely, they should be tagged with lcn tags and therefore show up in OpenCycleMap. I've done a couple of little bits in the past (up near Hertford Street and also Garret Hostel Lane) and would be delighted if someone were to do the rest.

The drag-and-drop symbols are just the start. You can tag almost anything you like with OSM.

To do this, create a new point by double-clicking on the map. It'll appear as a green circle. Then add "tags" using the '+' button at the bottom right, and typing. For example, fuel might be 'amenity' (left-hand box) 'fuel' (right-hand box).

You can find out more using the Help button at the bottom left of Potlatch, the online editor.

But you simply can't tell that. OSM is too big for one person to know exactly what maps are out there using the data. I've been involved with the project for five years now and wouldn't even begin to think I could list what's parsed and what isn't - every day something new is announced that surprises me.

And that's a trend that's only increasing. Take a look at http://www.geowiki.com/halcyon/ - fully customisable map rendering using CSS. There are other similar projects, like Cartagen (http://www.cartagen.org/). How do you know that, just because a particular tag isn't selected as part of (say) the cartographic choices made by the default Mapnik layer, or the calculation choices made by CloudMade's routing engine, that someone else isn't doing something really cool with the data? How do you know someone hasn't got a really excellent MapCSS rendering running in an obscure corner of the web, using tags you've never heard of?

An example. In your previous post you said, for example, "the only people of which the tracks=* information is useful to is people like Network Rail or the TOCs". Completely wrong. Our local railway (the 'Cotswold Line', Oxford-Worcester) has extensive single-track sections. If I want to have an informed view of when my train is going to turn up (well, other than "late"), it is enormously useful to know where the single-track sections are. Armed with the knowledge that Wolvercote-Ascott is single-track, and that the live departure board has just shown that a down train has left Hanborough, I know that the up train I'm waiting for isn't going to reach Charlbury for 15 minutes, despite the fact it was meant to be here two minutes ago.

If you remove the tracks=* tag because you don't understand that, I call that vandalism.

(And contrary to your jibe about "personally, I don't think they'll be using OSM any time soon", again, you couldn't be more wrong. The feedback I get about my railway map at http://www.systemeD.net/atlas/ is that it's extensively used in the rail industry; I've received mail from ORR people, NR, TOCs, FOCs, you name it. As it happens it's not based on OSM data, but that's solely for copyright reasons, not for reasons of data quality.)

OSM isn't tidy. It isn't neat. It isn't corraled into a restricted set of features. Stop trying to second-guess what it'll be used for. It never works.

This is way too cryptic a posting. What in particular are you referring to?

Replied at YACF. :)

Yes, but it's not "my" product. It's our product. There is no separation between producer and consumer.

FWIW I'm currently working on an easier way to get custom rendering without the effort of setting up Mapnik, but more of that anon.

Front page - take a look at osm.wiki/Front_Page#Some_examples and http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-March/034614.html .

Imperatives are easy ("Do this! Do that!"). But they don't get anything done.

Everyone here is a volunteer. If you want something changed, volunteer to do it. Don't just demand stuff. We have no shortage of good ideas, what we have is a shortage of people to do them.

(As it happens, personally I agree that OSM would benefit from an unobtrusive click-on-POI feature like Google's, but what I think is completely immaterial unless I'm prepared to code it or pay someone else to do so!)

Incidentally, the front page design has been discussed previously on the mailing lists, which are the principal channel of communication in OSM. You should search back on them; there are some mockups there which are (if you don't mind me saying) a lot better than yours.

Hm. It does sound like there's something about them that's causing Flash Player not to display them. If you could attach the tiles to a trac ticket that'd be cool.

Are they progressive JPEGs, perhaps? I _think_ Flash Player doesn't load progressive JPEGs.

Seems odd - it displays tiles from other sources (e.g. Walking Papers) ok using the same system, and I've never had a problem like that reported before. Given that you're using a Mac, can you open up Safari's Activity Viewer and see what URLs it's trying to access?

That's brilliant. I've long wanted to get the USGS topo maps back into Potlatch (they were there briefly as part of Christopher Schmidt's now-defunct OpenTopoMap project) - agreed that they're a wonderful resource.

You'll need to specify http://127.0.0.1/my/tile/server/!/!/!.png rather than localhost. If you use localhost, Flash Player's dumb security model thinks "uh-oh, external site accessing local resources" and baulks. If you use 127.0.0.1 it doesn't notice.

If you have the time (and with the connivance of the admins), it'd be wonderful to set this up on dev.openstreetmap.org as a service - either downloading and reprojecting/tiling WMS on the fly, which is what OpenTopoMap did, or perhaps just offering a service for people to request an area then tiling it.