OffMaps is very highly regarded for iOS.

Interesting thought.

I don't think the distance thing would work. It's possible to know lots about an area where you don't live. For example, I pretty much live in two places at the moment, but my home location can only be one of them. Similarly, I've been doing a bunch of mapping work in a place I often go on holiday.

But we do need to think of some way of restraining the global-change monkeys (to which Dasher's post, next to yours, also refers).

Nice work on the mapping!

I think it's a mistake to think of OSM's default rendering as anything other than a nice demo. Lots of other sites do already render just the bits they want (OpenCycleMap, for example). We want to encourage more of these - the whole vibrant ecosystem thing - rather than just expecting people to use https://www.openstreetmap.org's tiles for everything.

highway=tertiary, surface=unpaved | gravel | dirt | what-have-you.

If you want to provide unlimited downloading for mobile apps, go for it. Find some sponsorship from somewhere, get some servers, and start running a tile service. Call it osmtileserver.org. I'm sure it'd be hugely popular.

The current (unpaid, volunteer) sysadmins, however, are kept fully stretched by maintaining OSM for editors like you or I, and don't have the resources to run free servers for the benefit of people charging £4 per app in the Android app store. Nor do the places from whom we rent the bandwidth permit it.

"unless German copyright law is different from most other people's"

It isn't. Well, not like that. sdoerr is right - don't copy from other maps, and please remove any changes you have already made that were based on other maps.

Fortunately OpenStreetMap is an international project, controlled by a foundation registered in the UK, and so we don't have to take the blindest bit of notice of the idiot laws of over-paranoid countries.

The awesome-sounding ranger guy in question is Charlie Callagan, [email protected] . Maybe a US mapper working in this area could e-mail him and share his knowledge with OSM?

Suggest you post this to the dev@ mailing list.

Slightly surprised that, if the school is that fussed about such content in what is, after all, a fairly obscure area of the site, it hasn't installed competent filtering software. (I write as the husband of a primary school ICT subject co-ordinator and former LA primary ICT advisor!)

But language aside, I wouldn't say osm.org is particularly suitable for primary kids anyway, other than the most gifted. It's simply too complex a site. Anna tried it at a couple of schools a few years back, and effectively the only way it could work was by involving the kids heavily in the survey aspect, but for the actual editing to be strongly teacher-led.

Ideally one would build a separate app/site that talked to the API, with the kids' edits going through moderation (and change merging) before upload. That would also make it feasible to have one single account rather than one per child.

Yes, it's minutes. It's reset whenever you save. It's there to encourage you to save regularly. If you go 20 minutes without saving you'll get a little pop-up reminder too.

But the time is never "wasted". :)

Reverted it for you.

Wiki page updated.

Yep, it's a known issue which we've fixed but not deployed the fix yet.

John is an honourable chap and has said he doesn't want to be part of an ODbL project. As OSM yesterday moved to "ODbL+CT contributions only", aka Phase 4, I'm presuming he's going to take his considerable energies to a project with a licence he does agree with and that he therefore won't be here to post any more diary entries. After all, I can't imagine that, after decrying ODbL for so long, he'd want to continue to be involved with an ODbL-only project.

(and thanks for the helpful steps to reproduce already :) )

New version is now live. Please let us know (via trac ideally) if you can still reproduce the bug, and if so, how.

And there endeth "John"'s final diary entry. Bye, "John".

I'm puzzled - how did you get the whole screen to go faded like that?

Amusing but complete nonsense, Andrzej.

No-one is going to shoot the doggy. Through the magic of cloning (sometimes known as "forking"), there will be two dogs. One with the old haircut, one with the new. Unfortunately, the people who like the old haircut have never shown any sign of understanding the basics of care and feeding of dogs, so I do rather worry for the future of the old-haircut doggy.

P.S. the OSM lolcat of awsomeness points out that he could have your dog in a fight any day.