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I wanted to name a road. At one place, the road was split into 3 small straight segments and I was annoyed because I didn’t want to name each one and there would be a small tag for each segment. “Ahhhh, I wiill just combine them” I said to myself! “Some idiot has left these segments alone” I thought again. Will ID let me combine these segments?….. yes! good. I was happy and my road was named.

I had a bad feeling, there was just this instant feeling of ohh, something is not right. Then it hit me ….town-land boundaries, ….. you know those annoying blue lines that are everywhere in Ireland….. the ones that I have turned off under Map Data-> Map Features-> Others. The ones I try to forget about. I turned them on and yea, I had combined the boundary relations when I had combined my road. Damn, what a mess. It was too late to fix late at night so I waited until morning. So after a bit of local history in town-land names, I undid my mistake.

My message is to be careful when combining ways and naming roads. On one hand, I want to name every segment so every house has a matching street name, on the other hand, i wish i didn’t have to name every little segment (this is especially true in housing estates with their little branch roads, all with the same street name).

I dunno, naming roads is funny, there are old road names, and official road names and there are the proper postal address names for the streets. Then there are the locals that have their own names for that part of town and if they are giving you directions, you better know them!! I prefer to keep the local names as long if they are well established. OSM is all about what is there right now, it can track the dynamic changing of a street name over time…. in theory….i think. What do you think local street names or strictly official street names??

I should probably go read the wiki and find out that it is all ruled out for me somewhere. I just started and I’m learning as I go and I am enjoying it, :)

Location: Carrowncurry, Castlebar Rural Electoral Division, Castlebar Municipal District, County Mayo, Connacht, Ireland
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Discussion

Comment from escada on 6 October 2016 at 13:17

Every tried JOSM ? You can select multiple road segments and assign any tag to the selected segments. So you only have to type name=”This is a road with a long name that I only want to type once” once.

You can add name, old_name, official_name, local_name, etc. to a road. But get in touch with the Irish community (mailing list, Facebook group) to get a “local” answer.

Comment from Glassman on 6 October 2016 at 14:17

We had a similar discussion last night. Roads connected to landuse. I usually un-glue roads connected to landuse or admin boundaries. It would be great if editors complained when landuse, landcover or boundaries are connected to roads.

Comment from OscarBrownbread on 7 October 2016 at 07:17

I tried JOSM but I went back to ID the same day! I know there is a learning curve so today I will stick to JOSM, it’s about time for me, thanks for the tip on road segments and also the community, I will check it out.

Yes, roads are usually following boundary lines and it can be a hassle. I will think of keeping them separate. One thing I am not sure of is Pedestrian Streets or basically a square or paza that I assign as a pedestrian street. I somehow imagine that I could connect a footpath to the pedestrian street edge and then it can route to any other path/road that is connected but it doesn’t work like that. Something for me to think about.

Thanks for the comments, I am looking forward to working with JOSM today and also maybe the community side of things!

Comment from alexkemp on 7 October 2016 at 22:45

This is how I’ve solved the ‘Official name’ / ‘Local name’ issue for my local streets (check out Donkey Hill to see it in action):

  • Official: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:name=Saint Bartholomew's Road
  • Local: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:ref=Donkey Hill

Works very well with (importantly) both names showing up on the map.

Comment from OscarBrownbread on 8 October 2016 at 10:31

Thanks for the tip to get both names to show! Here is the link for the alt_name, old_name etc. I have started to try to implement the names of streets in Irish language now. :) name=*

Comment from TheSwavu on 9 October 2016 at 21:49

Please don’t use the ref tag for variations of the name. The ref tag is for the reference code or number. Using the ref tag to get an alternative name to appear on the map is tagging for the renderer and not good practice.

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