Hallo Burgundernepumuk,

der Änderungssatz macht es zwar ein bisschen besser, aber trotzdem sind – ehrlich gesagt – deine Daten noch unnutzbar. Objekte, die in OSM eingetragen werden, müssen Tags haben, die beschreiben, was das Objekt repräsentiert. Andernfalls kann keine Software mit deinen Daten etwas anfangen. Wir betrachten das als Fehler. http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=tagging&lon=7.83101&lat=47.99809&zoom=18&overlays=no_feature_tag_nodes,no_feature_tag_ways

Wenn du nur eine Karte brauchst, um Standorte zu visualisieren, kannst du auch einfach Umap nehmen, dir dort eine Karte anlegen und diese dann in deine Website als iFrame einbinden. Umap ist das OSM-Äquivalent zu Google MyMaps. https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/de/

Könntest du daher bitte den von dir eingetragenen Objekten entweder Tags geben, die angeben, was sie bedeuten, oder die Objekte wieder löschen?

Viele Grüße

Michael

Hallo kamarc,

du hast mit diesem Änderungssatz eine Note von lwmsks20 gelöst. Hast du die Apotheke auch vor Ort in Augenschein genommen? Angesichts seiner Benutzerkontensperren ist in meinen Augen das angemessen. @lwsmsk20/blocks Eine andere Apotheken-Note in der Karlstraße (nahe Haltestelle Karlstor) war nämlich Quatsch.

Viele Grüße

Michael

Hallo,

nur für den Fall, dass du nochmal ein Backhaus eintragen möchtest: Die werden als building=bakehouse erfasst (und amenity=baking_oven als Punkt für den Ofen selbst). Backhäuser sind keine Bäckereien, weil sie der Selbstversorgung und nicht dem Verkauf dienen. Siehe auch osm.wiki/DE:Tag:amenity%3Dbaking_oven

Viele Grüße

Michael

Hi minhvo1015,

welcome to OpenStreetMap. I am writing this message English because local mappers might read it if they look for recent local changeset discussions in their home area.

Unfortunately, the first message you receive contains bad news. I am currently reverting this changeset because I assume that it is either an accidential upload of non-public data or an attempt to import data which violated our Import Guidelines. osm.wiki/Import/Guidelines Data which is uploaded to OSM must be properly tagged. Please read the German OSM tutorial (osm.wiki/File:Osm-tutorial.pdf).

It is ok to use JOSM for non-public mapping because it is free software (free as in free speach). If you right-click on a entry in the layer list in the upper right corner, you can disable the ability to upload the content of the layer. In addition, you can enter an invalid or non-existing API URL in the JOSM preferences (you must enable the mode for experienced users aka "Expertenmodus").

You can set up your own OSM API, the source code is free software and available at https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website.

Best regards

Michael

Hallo TommyNF,

ein Dachdecker ist keine Fabrik, oder? craft=roofer wäre hier daher besser als man_made=works. osm.wiki/DE:Key:craft

Wozu dient denn node/5210999142/history? Der Node hat nur eine URL.

Könntest du das bitte korrigieren?

Viele Grüße

Michael

Hallo AltenburgDoku,

bist du dir sicher, dass die Gerhard-Altenbourg-Straße mit Verkehrszeichen 235 beschildert ist (http://osmtools.de/traffic_signs/?signs=325)? Das widerspricht nämlich dem maxspeed=20 an diesem Way.

Viele Grüße

Michael

Hallo ubX6dtQICK,

ich bin auch bei einer Kontrolle über diesen Änderungssatz gestolpert und möchte dich bitten, künftig etwas aussagekräftigere Kommentare zu ergänzen. Du hast nämlich nicht nur Inhalte hinzugefügt, sondern auch in mindestens einem Fall Informationen durch deine Löschungen vernichtet. https://osmlab.github.io/osm-deep-history/#/node/1270164248 und sie nicht auf den neuen Node übertragen.

Bitte lösche nicht, um neu zu erzeugen, sondern benutze die alten Objekte weiter. OSM ist ein Gemeinschaftsprojekt. Wenn jeder als Ersterfasser dastehen will, wird das nichts.

Viele Grüße

Michael

route=* alone does not help (and network is useless). If you also check the first characters of the value of ref=*, you can guess pretty well the type of train. U-Bahn line numbers always starts with a "U", S-Bahn line numbers always start with an "S".

Many private railway companies which operate local trains as a contractor of a German state, don't use the train type abbreviations of Deutsche Bahn (RB, RE, IRE). That's why you have to check the second character, too. If it is a space or a digit, you have S-Bahn or U-Bahn. Otherwise it is the abbreviation of a company, e.g. UBB for "Usedomer Bäderbahn", STB for "Süd-Thüringen-Bahn" or SWGE for "Südwestdeutsche Verkehrs AG".

Some mappers add a space behind the U/S, some not.

Cologne/Bonn Stadtbahn which is partially a U-Bahn but a light rail/tram (and tram-train) outside the city centres, is not prefixed with an U.

This changeset has been partially reverted by changeset/53549113

Hi bdiscoe,

as I wrote above, if the import is more than a few months ago, I would not ask the user who uploaded it if the import itself is well-accepted. Because asking someone to fix his errors is only effective it the user is still active and can remember that he imported the data.

However, I commented on changeset/40806364 and asked huaraz to help.

Best regards (and happy deleting)

Michael

PS I forgot to mention in my previous comment that you can continue simplifying the ways.

Hi huaraz,

you imported overnoded geometries in this (and probably other changesets). As mentioned in the Import Guidelines, you should simplify the geometries before you upload them. osm.wiki/Import/Guidelines#Consider_simplifying

Could you please help fixing the errors you did instead of leaving the work to other community members? Thank you.

Best regards

Michael

PS Please keep in mind that you must use a dedicated account (see the guideline) if you want to upload further chunks of the CanVec import.

Hi bdiscoe,

appending "simplified way geometries, threshold 80 cm" to changeset comment would reduce the need to ask you.

If the piece of the Canvec import was uploaded only a few months ago, I would ask the original uploader to fix his mess on his own. Someone who uploads data as part of a community import (like Canvec) is responsible that the parts he uploads comply with osm.wiki/Good_practice. If his uploads don't comply and he does not repair although he has been asked to do so and got enough time to repair them, they should be treated like an (undiscussed) import of bad data: revert.

It does not help if some members of the OSM community like you delete unnecessary nodes all the time while others still upload their mess.

Best regards

Michael

Hi bdiscoe,

could you please explain why you deleted more than 10,000 nodes in this changeset? Your changeset comment lacks any explanation why you did this and without any explanation it looks like vandalism.

Please add better changeset comments to further changesets like this and split them up into chunks with less than 10,000 edits (changeset size was limited to 10k a few months ago).

Btw, you can continue editing.

Best regards

Michael

Hi Ilya,

it is common mapping practice in Germany to use network=* for the Verkehrsverbund or Verkehrsverbünde (plural if necessary) instead of using relations of type=network to tie all stops, platforms and routes together. And yes, it is (unfortunately) common mapping practice to abuse the name tag of route relations for descriptions.

A Verkehrsverbund is usually not the operator of a service. It is a distinct company which is either owned by the companies operating the services or owned by the local municipailties or Kreise.

Please keep accept this.

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The following paragraphs are an incomplete introduction into public transport in Germany. An incomplete and simplified TL;DR can be found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5hkR-IAnwQ

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Most S-Bahn systems have been changed to route=train in the last three years. Only Nuremberg S-Bahn was forgotten.

"S-Bahn" is just a brand used by Deutsche Bahn and other companies for trains which usually stops at every station/halt and usually stops very often. You cannot conclude from the usage of the brand to a route=* or railway=* value. Instead, you have to inspect the infrastructure and which specific law its operations are based on (BOStrab vs. EBO vs. ESBO).

railway/route=light_rail should be usually applied to better trams which are faster and have a dedicated right of way (don't share space with cars). This applies to the tram/light rail systems of Stuttgart ("Stadtbahn"), Frankfurt am Main ("U-Bahn"), Köln/Bonn ("Stadtbahn"/"U-Bahn"), Düsseldorf (only high floor)/Neuss (only high floor)/Duisburg, Mülheim an der Ruhr (only normal guage)/Essen (only normal gauge), Bochum (only normal gauge), Dortmund.

Most S-Bahn systems are just trains with more doors than usual and use normal train tracks. They only have separated tracks near the city centre and use the normal 15 kV 16.7 Hz overhead lines. This applies to all S-Bahns except the S-Bahn Berlin and Hamburg which are fed with DC power from a third rail except the Hamburg S 3 which uses the AC overhead line between Neugraben and Stade. The S 23 (Bonn Hbf–Euskirchen–Bad Münstereifel) uses diesel multiple units. To extend the mess, the Karlsruhe Stadtbahn is a tram-train system which is called Stadtbahn but uses the S-Bahn logo except where it uses the tracks of the Karlsruhe tram and on the tram tracks in Heilbronn.

Most younger S-Bahn networks (Nuremberg S 4, Leipzig/Halle, Magdeburg, Rostock, Rhein/Neckar, Hannover) are no commuter services. Their lines are quite long (e.g. Rhein/Neckar S 1 from Homburg(Saar) to Osterburken needs 3:44; Leipzig/Halle S 4 from Wurzen to Ruhland 2:28) and they run from the city centres to the very rural areas outside the cities. The use of "S-Bahn" for their services is just marketing. If they did not use the brand "S-Bahn", they would be called Regionalbahn (RB) which is the lowest category for passenger trains.

Now you have read about the normal S-Bahn networks. If you include everything which uses "S-Bahn" in its name, it becomes even more strange. Ortenau-S-Bahn is a network served by small (!) diesel multiple units between Strasbourg, Offenburg (the centre) and Freudenstadt. The Breisgau-S-Bahn serves some very busy branch lines around Freiburg with the same type diesel multiple units as Ortenau-S-Bahn does but Breisgau-S-Bahn will be converted to a electrical S-Bahn in 2018. Regio-S-Bahn Bremen is a network of lines around Bremen which is similar to systems of Rostock and Dresden but it is operated by Nordwestbahn and not by a Deutsche Bahn subsidiary. The S-Bahn system of Dresden is operated by DB Regio but they use normal electric locomotives and bilevel rail cars. The same applied to Leipzig/Halle (old version) and Rostock. These three systems started operation before 1990.

I avoided to mention the narrow-gauge railway lines which are used by trams in a tram-train like way because that would increase the confusion of the reader.

Best regards

Michael

Hi bdiscoe,

I am currently investigating your deletion of more than 14,000 of nodes without giving a proper reason and therefore ask you to pause your edits for at least 24 hours. Thank you.

Best regards

Michael

This changeset has been reverted by changeset/53511272 because it was wrong and Map47 did not revert it himself.

Hi gekapes,

Wikipedia is no source you are allowed to use for OpenStreetMap because it is licensed under CC-BY-SA (incompatible with OSM Contributor Terms you agreed to) and because Wikipedia contributors don't care about the copyright on databases while OSM does. That's why I deleted the names you added in this changeset.

Best regards

Michael

PS I just added obvious notes to the page "Collaboration with Wikipedia" at the OSM Wiki.

Hi Zverik,

your use of network=* is wrong. network=* is used to tag which Verkehrsverbund a route relation belongs to. There is no "Nuremberg S-Bahn" Verkehrsverbund, it is called "Verkehrsverbund Großraum Nürnberg". Could you please fix this?

Btw, light_rail is wrong for S-Bahn Nuremberg.

Best regards

Michael

Hi Maria_5555,

we usually call the deletion of features which exist on the ground "vandalism". Our usual response is a revert of the changeset. I am going to revert this changeset for that reason.

osm.wiki/Vandalism

Best regards

Michael

Hallo geozeisig,

die "Korrektur" der Wikiseite stammt von dir. Du hast dort eine Änderung vorgenommen, die am 21. Oktober 2017 der Benutzer Selfish Seahorse auf der englischen Seite vorgenommen hat.

Deine Änderung: osm.wiki/w/index.php?title=DE%3APublic_transport&type=revision&diff=1520084&oldid=1500918

Seine Änderung: osm.wiki/w/index.php?title=Public_transport&type=revision&diff=1517073&oldid=1513638

Er gibt Tag:highway=bus_stop als Quelle an. Auf Tag:highway=bus_stop konnte ich nichts finden, was sein Argument als gültig erscheinen lässt.

In OSM gibt es so lange, wie ich schon dabei bin, den Streit, ob man highway=bus_stop auf die Straße oder neben die Straße taggen solle.

Ich bitte dich hiermit erneut, die Diskussion auf der Berliner Mailingliste fortzuführen und nicht im Glauben an die Unfehlbarkeit des Wikis die Daten an das Wiki anzupassen.

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Und jetzt noch meine persönliche Meinung: Wenn ein Bussteig als Fläche oder Linie erfasst ist, sollte man kein highway=bus_stop an einen der Nodes des Bussteigs taggen, weil das der One-Feature-One-Object-Regel widerspricht. Das PTv2-Schema hat das alte Tag nicht für veraltet erklärt. Wenn man also highway=bus_stop an einem Node der Plattform ergänzt, die selbst als public_transport=platform getaggt ist, erfasst man zwei Bushaltestellen, wo nur eine ist! Mit diesem Verhalten rechnet kein Datennutzer und daher lehne ich es ab.

Viele Grüße

Michael