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126235884 over 3 years ago

Can you please just stop calling people "racist"? it is not a nice word. And stop calling me a "foreigner"? as I told you many times that I'm originally from this city and I visit it on common basis.
The neighborhood you are saying is %100 Kurdish which was true but in the past when the Kurds were the majority before the 60s. After the 60s all of these areas become mostly Arabs.
You mentioned a road that has has a Kurdish-related name since the Saddam Hussain era, true, it was related to the Autonomy Agreement of 1970 as the Iraqi government was trying to stop the outlaws in Northern Iraq. You can call it a political courtesy.
The cemetery you mentioned, is also true, it has lots of Kurdish graves, but why? because it's an ancient cemetery, and the Kurds were the majority of Kirkuk before the 60s.
The religious place you mentioned is also an old place and the same thing as the cemetery because it was a Kurd majority city before.
Now we should go on what the situation on the ground not the history of the Kirkuk, we all agree that it was a Kurd majority before but now it is not! it is like 5:1 for the Arabs.
You already know these facts as I don't need to tell you this if you're local. but I'm typing it for other people to see and know the truth.

>Even Spain is wrong. It should Andalus.
No, we should use on-the-ground current names, not historical ones!

>Saddam arabized even the heavens
That doesn't give you the right to go back and change it to what it was before. On the ground is what the matter is. By changing it back then you're going against the locals who live in such areas. Many generations born after these areas became majority Arabs and you want to discriminate against them because of the history?

>you are Saddam's worshipper. You think that what saddam did was holy ?
Saddam, or to be precise, his regime killed my father and uncle as they were part of a party against the Ba'ath party, please don't say such things again.

You said you're Yezidi, quick question to prove that claim, the famous and only river in Kirkuk, Khasa, this name has a meaning in the Yezidi Kurdish dialogue and most Kurds don't know it and it's not translated in apps, what is that meaning of "Khasa" in the Yezidi Kurdish dialogue?

finally, you said, Don't shift the topic, I'll go by your words, please provide an official source that back your claim.

126235884 over 3 years ago

Again, I'm asking for an official source here, if you can't provide one then it's just a claim of yours.
About your argument, also wrong, you stated that the schools names are named after the Kurdish interest, and you forgot the fact that all of these schools had an Arabic related names before 2003 and were changed between 2003-2017 when the Kurdish regional government was controlling Kirkuk and did massive kurdification of the city by replacing every Arabic name into a kurdish related one.
I hate to say this as I hate to say it but just to prove you wrong, you said that this neighborhood did not fall into isis because the fighters were kurds, did you forget Sinjar? when the Kurdish forces left the innocent Yazidis to face genocide and slavery by ISIS?
All of your claims are completely out of this world.
Again, I'm just gonna ask a simple question, can you provide an official source that back your claim in this changeset or not? simple question, yes or no?

126235884 over 3 years ago

So you say your source is local knowledge? this is weird, because the time I was in this neighborhood during my visit I saw otherwise of your claim. Can you back your claim with official sources?

126235884 over 3 years ago

Please provide a source for your change.

126235884 over 3 years ago

No, this is not the fact on the ground that I surveyed. Please provide sources that back your claim. Regards.

125808485 over 3 years ago

@MUHAMMED`sab I'm still waiting for your answer. You added hundreds of translated names, tens of them are clearly translated as they were descriptive names and these descriptive names are not translatable in translate apps as it's in Iraqi Arabic dialogue not in formal Arabic so you just put "Street xxx" translated as you thought that this is a noun not a verb. How can you translate from a language you do not understand? Please reply.

126202559 over 3 years ago

@Nawfal85 wait for a couple of days if he didn't reply then remove it.
As you know we don't have names in residential streets in Iraq, only numbers so this is a fake name, but just give him a couple of days to reply and see what he can say about this.

126236225 over 3 years ago

@SomeoneElse, I already asked him previously and he replied with aggression
changeset/124921565

126236080 over 3 years ago

Hello again, Why did you change the street name to bilingual language while the street signs in this street are in Arabic?

126235884 over 3 years ago

Hello Bravo Mapper, Why did you add the Kurdish language in bilingual. Ain't this an Arab neighborhood? Please justify your edit with sources. Regards.

126126047 over 3 years ago

@Ghybu I'm not the one who added that but it is correct.

Iraq’s constitution, Article 4/Fourth stated that the Syriac language is the official language in the administrative units in which they constitute the density of the population.
English: https://investpromo.gov.iq/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/iraqi-constitution-En.pdf
Arabic: https://investpromo.gov.iq/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Iraqi-constitution-Ar.pdf

If you're too busy to read it, here is a quick and short text from Wikipedia that explains it:
The constitution of Iraq stipulates that the Syriac language is considered an official language in areas where the speakers constitute a population density. This is applied in the Nineveh Governorate, which is the main center of gravity for the Syriac language. It is considered an official language in the districts of Hamdaniya, Bakhdida, Bartella, Karamles, Tel Kaif, and Al-Shekhan, in addition to the Sumail district in Dohuk governorate and Shaqlawa district in Erbil governorate.
read here: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D8%BA%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9#cite_note-81:~:text=%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%B5%20%D8%AF%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B1%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%82,%D9%81%D9%8A%20%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%B8%D8%A9%20%D8%A3%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%84

So I guess we should add the Syriac name to the other places too so it can be according to the OSM name rules that state the name should be in the local language of those areas, and the Iraqi constitution and the Kurdish regional government law.

126207291 over 3 years ago

Why did you add a descriptive name? you can not add "mosque" as a name of POI.

126126047 over 3 years ago

@Ghybu The law number 6 was issued by the Kurdistan regional government parliament in 2014 in their 9th sitting on October 29, 2014.
The law is clear and stated that all signs in Ankawa should be in the local Syriac language. and This law was published in the official newspaper and sent to all governmental offices around the region. This law forces all shop owners, hotels, etc to have Syriac in their banner. also forces the municipal department to put road signs in Syriac.
You can read and see the official governmental papers here: https://ankawa.com/forum/index.php?topic=784369

126126047 over 3 years ago

@Bravo Mapper This will be my last comment for you since you're being in ignorant here. I told you we are talking about this edit of yours here, but I'm just gonna answer you one more time about these points of yours.

1. The last census done by the Iraqi government stated the Arabs are %72 and the Kurds are %21
2. Because 'name' should be in the local language only.
3. Duplicate points are consider spam.
4. No, I'm local Iraqi and I'm from this City unlike you who maybe from Sulaymaniyah. You never asked me out to met face to face, that was Renas Azad account which this proves that Renas Azad account is yours and you have been Kurdification the nearby areas around the Kurdistan region. And you probably paid by the KRG to rename such areas to Kurdish only. The ones I changed are only the ones who was added in Arab areas with Arab names and the Kurds changed them to only Kurdish like the user Renas (you) and many other users.
5. Wrong, there is no neighborhood that are only kurds, the most one that have kurds are like only 50%. this is absolute not true.
6. You mean Ankawa, not Erbil, and the name I put is the only name in the only language the local use for the town of Ankawa, I added it in bilingual with Kurdish because the face that it's a town that are neighbored by Kurdish. You called this Syriac alphabet "alien" while it's the historic alphabet used by the same Assyrians locals in this town from thousands of years even before the existing of the Kurds and Arabs in Iraq.

Lastly, Stop kurdification of the nearby areas of the Kurdish region.

126223606 over 3 years ago

Also, can you please add back the name:ar that you removed for this street in changeset/63292043? it is when you deleted 82 name:ar names and 52 loc_name:ar in that changeset.

126223606 over 3 years ago

Hello,
May I know please why did you change the "ref" from 60 to 65?
as of my local knowledge we know this street by the number 60 only, did it change to 65? this is so weird. please confirm your source and if it's reliable.

126223873 over 3 years ago

Hello,
on NODE: 6587805185
NODE: 7391496217
and NODE: 8508591781
you changed the name for these hotels from English to Kurdish, but by doing this you removed the English name entirely, please if you change the name to local name, put the english name in name:en

126097173 over 3 years ago

Perfect! Thanks.

126190983 over 3 years ago

Hello, here in this changeset you changed the addr:city tag from Arabic to Kurdish for 47 objects. and changed the name of Kirkuk mall to Kurdish.
You are mixing your political edits with good changes which makes it hard for us to revert. Please stop with the political edits.

126079467 over 3 years ago

Kurdish language have 2 dialogues in Iraq, Central and northern, Central is motley used in Sulaymaniyah and Erbil, and Northern mostly used in Duhok. But there is people who live in such city and speak the other dialogue and we all understand each other. I usually don't change name:ckb and leave it alone, while if I want to add it I add it based on the city's dialogue.