It was later unanimously decided that the geranium conversation be stricken from the minutes because it reflected badly on the OpenStreetMap project. If you wish reinstate the geranium conversation in the minutes of this meeting, please raise this at the start of the next meeting on Tuesday 30th.

See Category:3D on the wiki, and a couple of other services doing 3D. e.g. latlon.rog does rendering building heights as (sort of) 3D.

Tadale is looking great! osm.org/go/l565Prw9 Keep up the good work

Hey MarkDilley. There's a name I recognise from a while ago! (SwitchWiki!) How's things? I'm big into OpenStreetMap these days ...it's wiki map!

This is interesting stuff. We should update the Landsat wiki page with some more information. I notice that page lists the different layers you mentioned as part of 'global mosaic'. It seems they used to be available and viewable as separate WMS layers. Does anyone know if it's possible to get these into JOSM from oneearth via a tiled WMS request? The oneearth site suggests it might be.

So it seems like yahoo and bing are using a different composition of these layers, and also using different landsat scenes taken from different dates. Either that or they simply took a global mosaic snapshot from a different date. So what exactly is released PD from the federal government? The global mosaic?

That's true. I've become more of a diarygnome than a wikignome of late. My diary is a tour guide to London's best pubs which meet certain criteria

I've just added something to this section.

The debate armchair mapping having a discouraging effect upon real mapping, is an old one which keeps playing out for different data sources. We've discussed in relation to aerial imagery. I remember debates about using Yahoo in London in the early days. And we've discussed in relation to imports of course. We've even pondered whether the Milton Keynes mapping party was the right thing to do because new users and real mappers might be discouraged by all the real mapping we'd done! It's a tricky one. Of course the decision gets taken away from us when just a few people blat in massive area, perhaps without realising they might be doing something bad. It'll probably happen that way with OS Locator sooner or later. I suggest we decide what all the advice should be on that wiki section there.

I'm really shocked by this. In the same week that they failed to control a bunch of kids smashing up London, I'm feeling very disappointed in the UK police at the moment.

Police are mainly entitled to question and search photographers in relation to suspicion of to terrorism (not burglary!). Arresting you and searching your flat seems utterly disproportionate. Amazing that this happened to you.

I can image if you failed to explain well because english is not your first language, or if you were being antagonistic, then these things might not have helped. Any of that apply? I'd love to know how the conversation went with police, but it seems to me you have good reason to make a complaint (which you should do *before* publishing all the details, and with legal advice if possible)

The link netman55 gave, from the citizens advice bureau is probably a good one. There's also a number of quick reference PDFs available specifically related to the rights of photographers in the UK (google search) We should flesh out the information on this wiki page.

Well reckon semi-colon value separators should not be used on any important tags. They probably should never have been introduced in the first place. Like several other tagging ideas (such as the 'contact:' namespace) The idea obviously came from people who think they are clever because they understand computer programming, but who have failed to grasp the benefit of keeping things simple.

Ah yes. And I'm using those other addr: prefixed tags, so 'addr:postcode' would be more consistent I suppose. I'm fairly indifferent about postcodes. I don't capture them so often in my photos. I suppose I went with 'postal_code' because I think it is tag which has been in use since the early days (back when freethepostcode.org had its heyday).

Sometimes I'd like stats on how new a tag is. Or even a timeline graph showing the growth in usage. Like google trends for tags. That could also reveal bot interference.

"I thought that was the way how to do that" There is no way how to tag anything. For every tag there's always somebody being awkward and debating it. In this case though the "contact:" prefix is the awkward newcomer. The simple version of these tags is clearly better. They clearly win on usage stats too:

'phone' 100 280 > 'contact:phone' 10 384.

'website' 141 067 > 'contact:website' 5 227

I forgot to mention, there's a bunch of OpenStreetBugs near my house due to Gregory's gorilla detail mapping, which he put there at last years BBQ. Clearly my area is not as tidily finished off as yours!

Think I was too late when I was telling you about the SOTM video competition in the pub actually. Ah well.

Hi Kart O Graf

"how can I get the source-code of OSM and how to send own code to the project?"

Glad you asked. We'd love to have more developers helping out. The website is a ruby on rails app. There's some description of how this is set-up on The Rails Port wiki page. Also Rails_port/Development for details of where the code is (a git repository e.g. site.js)

Thanks for the comments guys. I'm not as knowledgeable as I would like to be when it comes to mobile apps and all the different options available. Seems like OsmAnd is something I should have a bit more of a play with (I installed it but didn't try it really) I've never heard of "Zanavi" (stub created). Now that I have a placr.co.uk iPhone and iPad to play with, I can try out some of these swanky iOS apps more too, but I don't have a proper data plan set up on those either.

nice! It seems the Ukraine has a lot of tram systems. I don't think we have that many cities with trams in the UK.

My ruby script chews on every changeset as it comes in, so it can filter by tags or operation type, or user, or bounding box (kind of... although it will only see coordinates for nodes unless it has a way->node lookup) But with any kind of filter it's not very efficient when you consider the proportion which edits matching the filter. I guess for bbox filter it would be smarter to try to hook it into OWL instead

I've been seeking out tennis courts in the U.S. (using bing) In the process I've been amazed that every school in the U.S. has four or five baseball pitches. I hadn't realised how completely baseball obsessed they are. Also surprised that most large schools have a full size running track. All these things are very distinctive and easy to add to the map

yes. Definitely hoping to reuse the edit tracking code, and tabular display code. Easy enough to switch it to a different tag. It's also easy enough to leave the whole system running indefinitely, but I reckon it's more fun to shut it down at the end of the week (in a 3 hours time)

...or did you mean my exciting tennis commentary? :-)

Hold down shift while clicking to add a node in the middle of a way.

See Editing an existing way

A lot of mobile apps will display maps only if you have an internet connection (either 3G or wifi) The phone knows where it is, but it still needs to fetch map information over the internet. But there are many different map apps to choose from. Some *do* offer a capability to store map data off-board. Not sure which blackberry app is the best at that.