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"way to map features that are entirely gone"? Mostly the answer is "no". Depending on how intrusive this data is, you might get away with adding it, but it's not really encouraged. Some of the prevailing thoughts on the topic can be found on Question: Does OSM use any historic data? or want to? The question does come up a lot. It's the kind of thing which could be catered for quite well if somebody made a serious attempt at setting up a parallel database project re-using OSM technology, but it would be a lot of work to take on the thorny technical challenges around how a time dimension would appear in editors and on the map. Also there's a few social collaboration challenges which OpenStreetMap simplifies by only mapping things are verifiable (This includes the requirement that the things still exist. You can go there and look at them)

@LivingWithDragons - We wont have all the shops. I didn't get all the shops in my slice. I think I got all the shops on the groundfloor of one end of the curvy corridor, but there was a whole other floor above. There were quite a few vacant slots with "coming soon" signs, so we'll need people to go back anyway

Beautiful. Now we need an animated version :-) I guess you've seen 'party render' videos: osm.wiki/Party_render#Rendered_Mapping_Parties (different colours for different mappers) It would cool to see your light effect applied to that kind of video.

Ooh. Name clash. I sometimes mention Cleveland as an example of place with tonnes of TIGER fixup work still to do. But I didn't mean your Cleveland. I meant Cleveland, Tennessee

Awesome. I should blog from SOTM too, but not found the time just yet. It's hectic here!

One thing you might clarify here and in your lightning talk, in case it isn't blindingly obvious :-) ... You're not talking about nearby Atlanta Georgia!

It was later unanimously decided that the geranium conversation be stricken from the minutes because it reflected badly on the OpenStreetMap project. If you wish reinstate the geranium conversation in the minutes of this meeting, please raise this at the start of the next meeting on Tuesday 30th.

See Category:3D on the wiki, and a couple of other services doing 3D. e.g. latlon.rog does rendering building heights as (sort of) 3D.

Tadale is looking great! osm.org/go/l565Prw9 Keep up the good work

Hey MarkDilley. There's a name I recognise from a while ago! (SwitchWiki!) How's things? I'm big into OpenStreetMap these days ...it's wiki map!

This is interesting stuff. We should update the Landsat wiki page with some more information. I notice that page lists the different layers you mentioned as part of 'global mosaic'. It seems they used to be available and viewable as separate WMS layers. Does anyone know if it's possible to get these into JOSM from oneearth via a tiled WMS request? The oneearth site suggests it might be.

So it seems like yahoo and bing are using a different composition of these layers, and also using different landsat scenes taken from different dates. Either that or they simply took a global mosaic snapshot from a different date. So what exactly is released PD from the federal government? The global mosaic?

That's true. I've become more of a diarygnome than a wikignome of late. My diary is a tour guide to London's best pubs which meet certain criteria

I've just added something to this section.

The debate armchair mapping having a discouraging effect upon real mapping, is an old one which keeps playing out for different data sources. We've discussed in relation to aerial imagery. I remember debates about using Yahoo in London in the early days. And we've discussed in relation to imports of course. We've even pondered whether the Milton Keynes mapping party was the right thing to do because new users and real mappers might be discouraged by all the real mapping we'd done! It's a tricky one. Of course the decision gets taken away from us when just a few people blat in massive area, perhaps without realising they might be doing something bad. It'll probably happen that way with OS Locator sooner or later. I suggest we decide what all the advice should be on that wiki section there.

I'm really shocked by this. In the same week that they failed to control a bunch of kids smashing up London, I'm feeling very disappointed in the UK police at the moment.

Police are mainly entitled to question and search photographers in relation to suspicion of to terrorism (not burglary!). Arresting you and searching your flat seems utterly disproportionate. Amazing that this happened to you.

I can image if you failed to explain well because english is not your first language, or if you were being antagonistic, then these things might not have helped. Any of that apply? I'd love to know how the conversation went with police, but it seems to me you have good reason to make a complaint (which you should do *before* publishing all the details, and with legal advice if possible)

The link netman55 gave, from the citizens advice bureau is probably a good one. There's also a number of quick reference PDFs available specifically related to the rights of photographers in the UK (google search) We should flesh out the information on this wiki page.

Well reckon semi-colon value separators should not be used on any important tags. They probably should never have been introduced in the first place. Like several other tagging ideas (such as the 'contact:' namespace) The idea obviously came from people who think they are clever because they understand computer programming, but who have failed to grasp the benefit of keeping things simple.

Ah yes. And I'm using those other addr: prefixed tags, so 'addr:postcode' would be more consistent I suppose. I'm fairly indifferent about postcodes. I don't capture them so often in my photos. I suppose I went with 'postal_code' because I think it is tag which has been in use since the early days (back when freethepostcode.org had its heyday).

Sometimes I'd like stats on how new a tag is. Or even a timeline graph showing the growth in usage. Like google trends for tags. That could also reveal bot interference.

"I thought that was the way how to do that" There is no way how to tag anything. For every tag there's always somebody being awkward and debating it. In this case though the "contact:" prefix is the awkward newcomer. The simple version of these tags is clearly better. They clearly win on usage stats too:

'phone' 100 280 > 'contact:phone' 10 384.

'website' 141 067 > 'contact:website' 5 227

I forgot to mention, there's a bunch of OpenStreetBugs near my house due to Gregory's gorilla detail mapping, which he put there at last years BBQ. Clearly my area is not as tidily finished off as yours!

Think I was too late when I was telling you about the SOTM video competition in the pub actually. Ah well.

Hi Kart O Graf

"how can I get the source-code of OSM and how to send own code to the project?"

Glad you asked. We'd love to have more developers helping out. The website is a ruby on rails app. There's some description of how this is set-up on The Rails Port wiki page. Also Rails_port/Development for details of where the code is (a git repository e.g. site.js)