These aren’t supposed to be added to the user blog but they are added into my user diary as this is the only option in the profile to take user working mapping notes (yes I did try all the other combernations…). Originally these stayed in my profile and others visited the user profiles to read them.
Someone felt that it would be a good aidea to collect and create a system diary with everyones diary entries automaticly and publish a promernernt link to it on the main map page so everyone can follow them easily.
Some people seem to then have become self-concious of system data added into their own diarys gaining such a wide readership while others have taken the opertunity to start useing it as a mass communication platform instead.
Personaly if the system wants to put my notes into such a secondary display then I’m not too bothered though not all such entries are going to be of much use to others. …and given an option I guess I’d opt out of any agregate display that people want to use for mass communication for most of my diary links (though I have recieved some encoraging feedback from some users that pointed me to other related areas I didn’t know about which was useful for those concerned with that topic covered).
My need is to take copy and pasted referances to things I’m using while mapping which I can use when I log into openstreetmap. Now to clarify I use semi-public workstations that have there harddrives wiped clean when i leave the desk and I could be using any one of several tens of thousands of computers with verying specs and access permisions and short of spending ages with a pen and losing some as security gards move me on cuting and pasting to osm user profile system under something that is supposed to be a diry system of the user makes a neet solution. Till of course people start trying to convert it to a to system wide blog.
Therefore I feel the idea of “me misusing user blog” would be better stated that: “The system blog is misusing my user diary entries!”
I’m not sure where these other pages are though I did find by accident someone with a page about themselves on the wiki manual that suprised me at first, so I guess that was what you ment. My time is oftern quite short and I tr to optermise it for mapping so havent tried setting one up yet. Though again is a wiki a good place to put system page links like this (how easy are they changed won’t the wiki need to be used more for offering tagging infomation rater than a jumble of links back to itself and outside with zero annotation for wiki readers)?
I did think about adding them to the osm map or the map notes system instead of the profile but thats an even worse idea than the reast.
If theres a way to make diary entries or note system user orintated and stay on the profile and not leek out to a secondary system then be happy to try it.
Is the user page the MarkusHD the same a something on the wiki tagging manual or is this somewhere else? If so a URL link would help (as I’ve looked in vain so far).
Thanks for the thorough clarification. I wasn’t aware of the fact that the collected user diaries were introduced after the user diary.
Since I started following about 2 years ago, I never considered the user diaries to be personal diaries, but to contain topics interesting for a wider audience, probably mostly for mappers.
The German translation of “User Diaries” on the website is “Benutzer-Blogs”, which retranslates to “User Blogs”. So from this view, personal entries are comparable to spam.
What I called “user page” above might correctly be called “profile page”, then it also won’t get confused with the “Wiki user page”.
The Wiki user page is of course the best place for personal notes like these, better suitable than the simple profile page I suggested first. It also includes history, so nothing could be lost by accident. But you have to log in separately for it.
OSM documentation like tag descriptions is only one part of the Wiki. I have seen several profile pages or Wiki user pages containing personal stuff like link lists.
The Wiki also offers proper possibilities for organizing your references and links. I can’t imagine how to efficiently find and reuse the relevant content from diary entries and comments, which are just sorted chronologically.
I won’t comment the idea of adding these links to the OSM map data or notes :)
To clarify the pages, but mine are not yet exemplary regarding the content:
Profile page and Wiki user page.
Since I started following about 2 years ago, I never considered the user diaries to be personal diaries, but to contain topics interesting for a wider audience
The user diaries were intended for mappers to write about their mapping activities.
Thank you for the infomation. I’ll look at some of the options in a spare moment (seems time flys be me so fast witht the serveys backing up awaiting to to be entered..)
I think that it might have taken me time several months before I found I had a profile section on the websight as I just started editing straight away so spent the time in the editor interface instead most of the time. It also took a while till I found out about mapping without presets too for similar reasons. So guess I may not have noticed the agregation straight away and So when I noticed it it felt like a new thing {so that clears that on up}.
In a sence these entries are my very condensed writeings about my activities as using them and the other parts of the profile system you can tack with a lot of detail what things I’ve been concentrating on.
I terms of ordering things about its not as easy as the wiki but if a high proportion of stuff is time time linked in terms of data contributions, servying and reasurching places etc I find things aren’t so hard to find and thay get well clustered into topics by time frame.
I will get a wiki site made but it will be a while as I see the clock ticking even as I write this… though the extra login is a time eater when in a rush I get used to it in a while.
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Comment from MarkusHD on 11 January 2016 at 22:29
Please do not misuse the user blog for this. You could add those links to your user page for example.
Comment from gileri on 12 January 2016 at 07:16
Or maybe your wiki user page if you have one.
Comment from Govanus on 12 January 2016 at 20:29
These aren’t supposed to be added to the user blog but they are added into my user diary as this is the only option in the profile to take user working mapping notes (yes I did try all the other combernations…). Originally these stayed in my profile and others visited the user profiles to read them. Someone felt that it would be a good aidea to collect and create a system diary with everyones diary entries automaticly and publish a promernernt link to it on the main map page so everyone can follow them easily. Some people seem to then have become self-concious of system data added into their own diarys gaining such a wide readership while others have taken the opertunity to start useing it as a mass communication platform instead. Personaly if the system wants to put my notes into such a secondary display then I’m not too bothered though not all such entries are going to be of much use to others. …and given an option I guess I’d opt out of any agregate display that people want to use for mass communication for most of my diary links (though I have recieved some encoraging feedback from some users that pointed me to other related areas I didn’t know about which was useful for those concerned with that topic covered).
My need is to take copy and pasted referances to things I’m using while mapping which I can use when I log into openstreetmap. Now to clarify I use semi-public workstations that have there harddrives wiped clean when i leave the desk and I could be using any one of several tens of thousands of computers with verying specs and access permisions and short of spending ages with a pen and losing some as security gards move me on cuting and pasting to osm user profile system under something that is supposed to be a diry system of the user makes a neet solution. Till of course people start trying to convert it to a to system wide blog.
Therefore I feel the idea of “me misusing user blog” would be better stated that: “The system blog is misusing my user diary entries!”
I’m not sure where these other pages are though I did find by accident someone with a page about themselves on the wiki manual that suprised me at first, so I guess that was what you ment. My time is oftern quite short and I tr to optermise it for mapping so havent tried setting one up yet. Though again is a wiki a good place to put system page links like this (how easy are they changed won’t the wiki need to be used more for offering tagging infomation rater than a jumble of links back to itself and outside with zero annotation for wiki readers)?
I did think about adding them to the osm map or the map notes system instead of the profile but thats an even worse idea than the reast.
If theres a way to make diary entries or note system user orintated and stay on the profile and not leek out to a secondary system then be happy to try it.
Is the user page the MarkusHD the same a something on the wiki tagging manual or is this somewhere else? If so a URL link would help (as I’ve looked in vain so far).
-Thank you for your help.
Comment from MarkusHD on 12 January 2016 at 23:20
Thanks for the thorough clarification. I wasn’t aware of the fact that the collected user diaries were introduced after the user diary. Since I started following about 2 years ago, I never considered the user diaries to be personal diaries, but to contain topics interesting for a wider audience, probably mostly for mappers. The German translation of “User Diaries” on the website is “Benutzer-Blogs”, which retranslates to “User Blogs”. So from this view, personal entries are comparable to spam.
What I called “user page” above might correctly be called “profile page”, then it also won’t get confused with the “Wiki user page”. The Wiki user page is of course the best place for personal notes like these, better suitable than the simple profile page I suggested first. It also includes history, so nothing could be lost by accident. But you have to log in separately for it. OSM documentation like tag descriptions is only one part of the Wiki. I have seen several profile pages or Wiki user pages containing personal stuff like link lists. The Wiki also offers proper possibilities for organizing your references and links. I can’t imagine how to efficiently find and reuse the relevant content from diary entries and comments, which are just sorted chronologically.
I won’t comment the idea of adding these links to the OSM map data or notes :)
To clarify the pages, but mine are not yet exemplary regarding the content: Profile page and Wiki user page.
Comment from Richard on 13 January 2016 at 12:09
They weren’t. I coded the ‘all diary entries’ view on May 4 2007, one day before the Rails port went live for the first time.
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/commit/8758685a86c3032a412183a53399e3e77dae75a1
The user diaries were intended for mappers to write about their mapping activities.
Comment from Govanus on 14 January 2016 at 20:21
Thank you for the infomation. I’ll look at some of the options in a spare moment (seems time flys be me so fast witht the serveys backing up awaiting to to be entered..)
I think that it might have taken me time several months before I found I had a profile section on the websight as I just started editing straight away so spent the time in the editor interface instead most of the time. It also took a while till I found out about mapping without presets too for similar reasons. So guess I may not have noticed the agregation straight away and So when I noticed it it felt like a new thing {so that clears that on up}.
In a sence these entries are my very condensed writeings about my activities as using them and the other parts of the profile system you can tack with a lot of detail what things I’ve been concentrating on.
I terms of ordering things about its not as easy as the wiki but if a high proportion of stuff is time time linked in terms of data contributions, servying and reasurching places etc I find things aren’t so hard to find and thay get well clustered into topics by time frame.
I will get a wiki site made but it will be a while as I see the clock ticking even as I write this… though the extra login is a time eater when in a rush I get used to it in a while.
—-~~~~ Now back to mapping those shop layouts…