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114561271 almost 4 years ago

On the other way, there are more extended tolls for heavy trucks with many wheels, which is why I put discouraged because the vehicle congestion increases considerably.

114561271 almost 4 years ago

As far as I know, there are lanes for light transport and another for heavy transport. Motocar is used for light transport and limited to 4 wheels to make the toll more fluid.

93129510 about 5 years ago

However, there is a controversy about new lines that are under the criteria of subway as Rinkai in recent years. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E3%81%AE%E5%9C%B0%E4%B8%8B%E9%89%84#%E4%BB%96%E8%B7%AF%E7%B7%9A%E3%81%AE%E5%BB%B6%E9%95%B7%E3%81%A8%E3%81%97%E3%81%A6%E3%81%AE%E5%9C%B0%E4%B8%8B%E9%89%84

93129510 about 5 years ago

Greetins. The author who made the change 93021367 about this tag. I think he had been inspired by the Rinkai and Toyo Rapid routes because they were subway lines that fulfilled the purpose of Rapid Transit. However, it is no longer relevant if it is applied to OSM labeling.

93492754 about 5 years ago

Hello. Thank you for improving the train suburban networks. I notice that you have more knowledge about the country and this benefits a better utility this type of transport for all users.

92307823 about 5 years ago

@datendelphin Thanks for understanding this explanation. It would be interesting to propose new preset in ID to easy create "stop area" relations with train = yes, bus = yes or tram = yes, to make differences with various types of transport.

92307823 about 5 years ago

* Sorry is "relation", no relationship. But the concept of this word is similar.

92307823 about 5 years ago

Ok, I will summarize what you have explained. The railway=site and public_transport:version=2 I discard it to avoid future confusions since they are not explicitly recommended, in this case I apologize. One solution I can think of would be to use the key "train=yes" to indicate that the relationship is for trains. However, for this suggestion that would be to update the OSM wiki to make it more standardized and avoid some "legal loophole" fault of the localization.

What matters and I keep the point is that only the nodes or areas are maintained with railway=station. You yourself indicate that this method occurred years ago (PTv1). Now ID generates a warning when a stop area relationship is added with railway=station, perhaps because of the transition to PTv2.

For the Zurich area, I was correcting relationships that did not have public_transport=stop_area but public_transport=station. Initially I did with JOSM to speed up the procedure ("semi-automatic" as you say but under the concept of "minor fixes from Wikipedia") and then I edit it with ID. I also apply with new places that have no stop area so that the S-Bahn network is a standardized transport system along with other countries in Europe and the world (and using apps like OsmAnd and Maps.me).

92307823 about 5 years ago

Extra: I created new stop areas for Zurich S-Bahn and add some info in routes. Source: https://www.zvv.ch/zvv-assets/fahrplan/pdf/sbahn.pdf

92307823 about 5 years ago

In short, is it okay to remove railway=station in a stop area relation and instead add as a "station" role to a railway=station node? This is the most standard solution applied in other countries and transport networks. There is no point in adding another railway=station in relations when it is already displayed with the node or area with that tag.

92307823 about 5 years ago

* I do not speak Swiss language but I assume it is the only accessible wiki page.

92307823 about 5 years ago

It wouldn't make sense to argue outside of this changeset, but I have explained every possible detail to justify it. The only detail that explains about railway = station is at osm.wiki/Switzerland:Public_Transport/Railways but it says that it is only for "saving records", when the correct thing would be to add a node of railway = station and enough.

92307823 about 5 years ago

Another point, in the subway of several cities, the stop areas are structured without railway = station. osm.wiki/Metro_Mapping As public transport, such as S-Bahn or U-Bahn, there is a validator in this regard. http://osm-subway.maps.me/index.html What do you think about it or if you found a consensus that explicitly indicates otherwise?

92307823 about 5 years ago

This case happened in a similar way with Austria with stop areas that had a different interpretation than the wiki. To avoid confusion, could you explain to me how stop area relations is applied in your country?

92307823 about 5 years ago

In this change I added the train station role in the stop area instead of combining the labels within the stop area relation.

92309166 about 5 years ago

See changeset/92307823

92307823 about 5 years ago

Greetings. Sorry I did not respond in time. Although I assumed this was a minor change. According to the OSM wiki I looked for information on railway = station and public_transport = stop_area.

About railway = station is applied to nodes and buildings. But it is not established that it is in relationships other than buildings. As I see it should not be merged between railway = station and public_transport = stop area, unless part of a role. public_transport=stop_area

So I looked for suggestion railway = site, but as it says it is not a suitable option. So should railway = station be removed in relation to stop area?

89157544 over 5 years ago

* Pretoria -> Jhoanesburg

79488212 almost 6 years ago

I'm sorry. But "some improviments" is for "minor changes". I set tram stops and added them to the route. So, this change is for improviment what was missing in this route.

78833648 almost 6 years ago

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