Kia ora

I think there is a need to look very carefully at each and every instance.

I am a long distance walker and names of highways came up in route lists.

Names of highways tie back to online tools. such as WayMarkedTrails and OSMand.

Where a highway doesn't have a name the name "highway" is instead. This is not helpful to users.

On the Auckland's north shore, for example, many street signs point the way for Te Araroa.

I invite you to consider the example I gave, where cycleway was added, in OSM, to a street name. I have removed that descriptive addition along the lines mentioned by others above.

On the Gillies Avenue, there is sign for "Coast to Coast" point west. I would argue that signs has currency to Saint Andres Avenue, at the least.

Some mappers take an extreme view that says a (foot)path that is physically alongside and forms part of a road cannot take the name of the road.

So, in my view:
1) each instance need to be examined either on the ground or from mapillary or similar
2) there is the need for us all to have an agreed position on all of these aspects drawn from the OSM wiki

I think, @myfanwy, you should identify yourself and your role in OSM.

Be very happy to continue a moderate discussion.

nga mihi

You may not revert unilaterally.
The pavements etc are part of the road or other feature they are part of.
Please advise where in the wiki your view understanding be found.
Then we can discuss.

@CoyKoi, I fully understand the point you are trying to make.
The bigger question what motivates whoever to name a highway?
And what signage is sufficient to constitute a name?
And a bigger picture here is where any of this fits into giving users directions.
In this case the various bits between Epsom Ave and Gillies Ave are part of Te Araoa, a 3,000 km route from Cape Reinga to The Bluff. Having walked Te Araroa through Auckland in April 2019, I had great difficulty wayfinding.
But to be consistent have you considered the name given to the cycle way either side of Carlton Gore Road east from Park Road . I can see signage for a cycle way. I could not see and name given to the path itself. As it is already tagged as a cycle way the addition of Cycleway is possibly redundant. To use your explanation "if it has a name ... " and in this case the name is simply "Carlton Gore Road".
You may also want to consider whether the mapping adequately reflects what is on the ground.
Kia ora

Mike, I've used some spare time that has become available to clear my desk.
And I found my hard copy of the Augustine Camino Walking Guide.
The guide says it uses maps from the OS 1:25000 series. And, like maps of the same area at the same scale, details are different.
The pages are not numbered: the relevant page in that guide is about three or four after the centre,
The path traced on that map does not relate to the GPX file, at the level of detail shown.
Iv'e also looked at FootPathMaps.com. This uses OS maps and shows public paths at certain levels of detail. That was unhelpful also.
I write as I note you have not yet made the changes you mentioned to me.
Please be assured, OSM being the work of many contributors, I do feel any sense of "ownership" of the work I have done.

I did walk the NDW route in August 2016. Looking at it afresh I would now most probably, having crossed over the A2 continue ahead and, depending on the time of day, enjoy some refreshments in an appropriate establishment before making the final strike towards the Cathedral.

As Her Majesty wrote to me and my compatriots earlier this week, kia kaha, kia maia, kia manawanui (be strong, confident and patient).

Alan

Mike, thanks for your enquiry.

I became aware of this route in mid 2019 and purchased the guidebook.

And I had it on my list to walk when in this part of the UK in mid 2020. I use an Android app on my tablet for all my walks, no matter where in the world, and so need them mapped before setting out.

In December 2019 I downloaded the GPX file and my mapping of the route followed that source.

I have gone back to that material and find, in this locality I have faithfully followed the GPX trace: that is along "The Mint".

All I can suggest if you have more recent or local knowledge that you make changes as you see fit.

All I ask is that you ensure the end result is contiguous so that, when displayed in the OSM referred tool WayMarkedTrails, the elevation profile is displayed.

Take care at this time.

Alan

GinaroZ, hello and apologies for this brief delay in replying.

I am always content to have a discussion with you on this and any other matters.

I try to base my practices on the OSM wiki, and believe I have so on this occassion.

But before continuing this discussion, it would be courteous if you could identify your interest in this matter.

I trust you are yours are well at this time.

Andrum99, hi again

I believe I have now mapped the two low tide alternatives and the three segment loop.

The two low tide alternatives were first map in Changeset: 82207989

Andrum99 , thank you

I am not sure of what your role is. So please identify.

I am a long distance walker preparing for the many trips I hope to now do in 2021.

I have only used the existing material in OSM and referred to much online material to check my bearings.

You will be aware FCP comprised more than 600 elements. OSM guidelines are for 200 to 300. On reflection, using guidnace from the Fife Coastal Path website, the route can be broken in to the segments shown there, all contained within a super relation. The international route known as E2 (which covers several thousand kilometres) uses this strategy.

I will look at all the alternatives, such as low tides, to ensure they do appear, as was my original intention, but not to break the continuity of the main path.

You may care to have a conversation with WayMarkedTrails.org

Kind regards

andrum99, hi
You will have noted my stated intention in nearly all of my updates, to provide a contiguous route that tools such as WayMarkedTrails can display useful things elevation profiles.
I also referred to the website for the Fife Coastal Path in making the changes you refer to. That shows a contiguous route without alternatives.
My practice is to include alternatives, low tide routes for example, in separate routes. This means they still display on maps but not not break the continuity of the principal route.
Happy to have a discussion about all the alternatives not recorded in the FCP's web site with the aim of meeting the needs of planning tools.

Nga mihi

WayMarkedTrails (WMT) does two things.

1) Show the route:
Each element, part of a road, path etc is displayed. WMT does not have much of a concern here: it just shows each element. When we look at them the route appears fully connected, so long as every element in the route has been added to the route relation. In this case "relation/9482456 St. Olav's Path - swedish part"

2) show the elevation profile
When using WMT select the relation above (it has an identifier of a red cross on a white ground) then select "Elevation Profile". When I looked at this a few moments ago it showed an uninterrupted (but bumpy) line from Selanger to the border.
Someone else more recently has created another route relation. This is relation/10524322 St. Olav's Path and has the identifier SO. Select that then select elevation profile. After a few moments you will see quite a disordered jumble and the annotation "Route is potentially unordered or incomplete. Elevation information might be inaccurate."

I chose to work with what seemed the "official" site and with "relation/9482456 St. Olav's Path - swedish part" to get rid of discontinuities to give the profile result you see.

Hope that helps

Kia kaha

PS:
Looks as though someone else has complied on OSM with your suggestion to me.

And I note (as I write) the latest map form the StOlavsleden.com site still shows a start in Sundsvall.

I note I should be able to walk from Sundsvall Station to Selanager. This is under 10 km and so under 2 hours, depending on conditions.

Kia kaha

I think you have an impression I have revised the whole of St Olavsleden to the Norwegian border.

My focus was simply those parts that were preventing apps, such as hiking.WayMarkedTrails.org, from fulfilling their brief. So my use of the most recent resource is limited. As such I do not think it appropriate to include as part of the route header. Doing so may give a wrong impression. You, of course, are quite welcome to make that addition, or not, as you choose.

In carrying out my self appointed task I did not compare the route as now shown in OSM from one end to the other with the (official?) source I used to resolve presenting issues.

Accordingly I don't feel competent to make further adjustments, such as deciding where the route (officially) starts.

Having said that, as a visitor (even to other sites in my own country) I find it incredibly helpful for any route to start near a major arrival point.

In this case I would welcome a start at a train station where services from Stockholm arrive.

Kia ora

PS:
I included website www.stolavsleden.com when making these various adjustments last month.

Kia ora

http://www.stolavsleden.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Hike_Map_juni2019.pdf

This seems to be a Swedish production.

There were a number of alternatives which I resolved, in the interests of one contiguous route for - in particular - hiking.WayMarkedTrails.com, using this recent version.

I understand St Olavsleden, starting in eastern Sweden is different from St Olav's Way starting in Oslo, although they both finish in Trondheim.

Kia kaha

Thanks. Wasn't aware there was a talk-nz forum

@ralley, kia ora and thank you for that comment.

I was hoping for comment on how to tag a 'marae'

In that name pretty much unique to Aotearoa - New Zealand.

The closest, in some general respects is a 'village green' with buildings. But village the concept of a village green is not known here and its use would be seen a foreign.

Whereas 'marae' is well defined in A-NZ.

What you saw earlier was a closed line.
I played with using a tag of 'amenity'. But that seemed to lead down unwanted rabbit holes.

Then tagging 'building=wharenui'.

Since your comment I have found the 'disused' building is a wharekai (dining and kitchen space).

On my return home a short while I have deleted the closed line in favour of an area for the same space.

Hoping you can comment on what, for me, is how to tag the landuse of the area.

Or does OSM need an addition of 'marae'?

There are several thousand of these throughout the country.

Kia kaha

Sometging for you to consider.

I notice the route through Lazio covers the whole of that Province/Region.

And I notice on one of the Via Francigena websites that the whole route is now split into a north and south section with the break in Rome. Presumably, at S Peter's.

I might be useful to reflect that decision in OSM.

Doing so would have a mechanical advantage of breaking a 1,400 element route into two more manageable sections.

My apologies that I am unable to reply in your own language.

yet again, kind regards, Alan

Dine, thanks again

You will have seen my response to your first comment.

To say again I worked with what was there.

I am away from home for a week and worked on a mobile device. This is not good for seeing "the big picture".

again, kinds regards, Alan

Dino, thank you.

Last year I walked Canterbury and stopped about 1 week from the Swiss border.

I am booked to return to there early April 2020.

A tool I rely on is WayMarkedTrails.com. If a route is continous it will gived the mapped length and an elevation profile.

All the sections in Italy were very fragemented and including variants added to that complexity.

You are right I do not yet know the route.

What I did was to follow the existing assigments of each road, path, steps etc.

I did not knowingly alter any route.

I made one mistake and corrceted that about 24 hours ago.

Please correct away.

But please also leave contiguous routes.

I use RelationAnalyzer.com to find small gaps (a short bridge of 10 metre element that has not been included) and JOSM to sequence things.

Please let me know when you have done.

kind regards, Alan

Thank you for your comments. My understanding is the same as you two re bridleways.
The routing software was OSM's normal web browser. This would not allow me to use this segment.
I will re-tag as "foot=designated" and "motor_vehicle=no", this being my understanding of what you are telling me.

Tried that and was partially successful.
The "Vehicle=no" still stands despite my persuasion.
And Foot and Bicycle are now designated.