As you can read in my introduction, this was the reason for this report ;)

Hallo Rainer,

dann doch gleich noch mal ein "herzlich willkommen" :)
Hmm ja office dürfte da wohl passen. Ich kenne mich da nicht wirklich mit diesem Speziellen Club aus,denke aber das es in dem Sinne ja kein öffentliches Gebäude darstellt, oder?
Also auf jeden Fall kann man name=* und gerne auch opperator=* setzen.

Falls du aber nur die Sachen auf OSM darstellen willst, kannst du die einfach in eine KML Datei packen und mir OpenLayers als zusätzliche Schicht darstellen

The Idea is quite good Gnonthgol. Unfortunatly different aspects of a navigation app (rendering, routing, navigation, ...) have to make use of different optimized data structures, as well. So it's difficult to solve all this with just one try. And of course the most of our developers are already involved in a lot of projects....

There are already thoughts in doing offline vector rendering or to deploy only vector tiles. But it's not that simple...
osm.wiki/OSM_Mobile_Binary_Protocol
osm.wiki/Develop

With this post I tried to adress the current (and maybe again upcomming) problem that some Apps use the tiles servers in an heavy way. So I tried to make the bad ratios visible and to contact authors. The first easy step is to check if the tool fullfils our policy and maybe to switch to another tile provider. Nobody says you shouldn't use OSM tiles anymore, the opposite is the case :)

Ah ok, that was how I explained it to myself. So I was right ;)

BTW some OpenSource tools are effected as well:
http://groups.google.com/group/osmand/browse_thread/thread/840a45868079fcd4
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aprsisce/message/13480

Please have a look at the data itself, to get the absolute values. But as noted above, the total traffic number has fallen at 2/3.

This allows you to check the browsers, too. But I was suprized that there is no string for MS Internet explorer. But I'm not a web expert ;)

Well indeed some apps already ship an email adress with the agent. And some are clever and use a central config file, so they can change the servers without any big update process.

I contacted all #Top 20 authors.

Yes this is what I expected, cause this part seemed to be to much.

Ok I did some visualisations, maybe that this will help for discussions @!i!/diary/15190

Sorry was my fault :(

Hey hallo Harald!
Also einen richtigen Stammtisch oder sowas scheint es in Spanien noch nicht zu geben... http://usergroups.openstreetmap.de
Frag sonst mal im Forum oder auf der spanischen Mailingliste, die Blogs werden nicht unbedingt von allen gelesen.

Anybody willing to create some nice charts, so we all can see the trends?

Da muss ich das mal wett machen, was der frische Troll angerichtet hat.

Also erst mal herzlich willkommen bei OSM.

Du kannst Vektordaten als Shapefile bekommen, die man mit GIS Programmen wie QGIS laden kann. Eine ganze Europakarte wird deinen Rechner aber sehr belasten.
http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/

PDFs oder SVGs kann man auch hier erstellen:
osm.wiki/OSM_on_Paper

Great, might you show us a screenshot of the current state?

Jups aber bedenke bitte, dass es nicht Sinn macht jede kleinere Baustelle zu erfassen, die nur für 1-2 Wochen dort ist. Die muss ja später auch jemand sichten und wieder entfernen :) Ansonsten aber immer ran an den Speck, in Rostock markieren wir auch die ganzen Baugebiete.

Na dann wäre ja ein erster Schritt mit Wheelmap mal die ganzen Orte zu erfassen und dann später mit ner hübsch rot-eingefärbte Karte an die Presse zu gehen. In der Regel sind Behindertenbeauftragten aber auf der guten Seite, von daher eher den Bauämtern und privaten Betreibernin den Popo treten ;)

Well managing Dev keys is another task that needs people to add this feature and to keep it running. Have a look at our website, there is so much stuff to do but we doesn't have that much developers to do the job. By the way this would break all current third party usage :(

Mhh...even for open project it's clear that they have limited ressources... Would you start scrapening Wikipedia without any talks to the Admins (who would point you to some dumps) ? ;)

Hi menion, thanks for your reply :) Oh and of course for the fast steps to limit our problems.

Convercing the prevention of new 'naive' Devs, what does you suggest?
To me it's always a question of logic, that if I use stuff that is for free, that I look for any policy/readme/license/... and try to get in contact with the project to get hints for important stuff. But this process can't be enforced without using limited access as developer keys (that I personaly dislike) or?

Well let me just say a few words, as the starter of this thread.

I understand both sides but all in all we doesn't have the resources (servers, traffic, admins, ...) within this project, to deal with the tile problem alone. Besides there is a 'political' problem if the OSMF would offer a commercial premium service.
So what might come up is a project (or company) just dealing with tiles deployment, as pointed already. But this is in future far far away....

What counts is what we all can do NOW.
- improving the DOCs about the rendering stack -> more people will use their own servers
- make it easier to setup the stack (as Kai already does by offering Debian packages)
- assist on developing a Vector based offline rendering lib for Apps

The question is if all apps use a appropiate user-agent. I don't think so if I view the logs:
http://grant.dev.openstreetmap.org/tmp/logs/03102011/yevaud-UA-hits-1week-20k.txt

BTW there is an update on some tools fixing fixing some aspects:
Locus: http://forum.asamm.cz/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1166&p=6874#p6870
OpenMaps: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-October/060336.html
NaviComputer wrote me a mail pointing that he did some modifications already

@Firefishy please tell us if we can remove the labels on the wiki pages :)

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