Jups aber bedenke bitte, dass es nicht Sinn macht jede kleinere Baustelle zu erfassen, die nur für 1-2 Wochen dort ist. Die muss ja später auch jemand sichten und wieder entfernen :) Ansonsten aber immer ran an den Speck, in Rostock markieren wir auch die ganzen Baugebiete.

Na dann wäre ja ein erster Schritt mit Wheelmap mal die ganzen Orte zu erfassen und dann später mit ner hübsch rot-eingefärbte Karte an die Presse zu gehen. In der Regel sind Behindertenbeauftragten aber auf der guten Seite, von daher eher den Bauämtern und privaten Betreibernin den Popo treten ;)

Well managing Dev keys is another task that needs people to add this feature and to keep it running. Have a look at our website, there is so much stuff to do but we doesn't have that much developers to do the job. By the way this would break all current third party usage :(

Mhh...even for open project it's clear that they have limited ressources... Would you start scrapening Wikipedia without any talks to the Admins (who would point you to some dumps) ? ;)

Hi menion, thanks for your reply :) Oh and of course for the fast steps to limit our problems.

Convercing the prevention of new 'naive' Devs, what does you suggest?
To me it's always a question of logic, that if I use stuff that is for free, that I look for any policy/readme/license/... and try to get in contact with the project to get hints for important stuff. But this process can't be enforced without using limited access as developer keys (that I personaly dislike) or?

Well let me just say a few words, as the starter of this thread.

I understand both sides but all in all we doesn't have the resources (servers, traffic, admins, ...) within this project, to deal with the tile problem alone. Besides there is a 'political' problem if the OSMF would offer a commercial premium service.
So what might come up is a project (or company) just dealing with tiles deployment, as pointed already. But this is in future far far away....

What counts is what we all can do NOW.
- improving the DOCs about the rendering stack -> more people will use their own servers
- make it easier to setup the stack (as Kai already does by offering Debian packages)
- assist on developing a Vector based offline rendering lib for Apps

The question is if all apps use a appropiate user-agent. I don't think so if I view the logs:
http://grant.dev.openstreetmap.org/tmp/logs/03102011/yevaud-UA-hits-1week-20k.txt

BTW there is an update on some tools fixing fixing some aspects:
Locus: http://forum.asamm.cz/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1166&p=6874#p6870
OpenMaps: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-October/060336.html
NaviComputer wrote me a mail pointing that he did some modifications already

@Firefishy please tell us if we can remove the labels on the wiki pages :)

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Well AFAIK Flood protection isn't that easy because esp. the older versions doesn't have a valid and unique http refer or user agent string, so it's pretty hard to identify them. I guess if the amount of connections even kill university routers, there is no easy way to use more intelligent techniques like Intrusion-Detection-Systems use. But I'm definitly not very familar with system administration, so that questions might get answered by Firefishy or other 'seniors' with more experience.

Currently we seem not to have the money to get a commercial hosting. Even there is the scalation problem and the question if the project itself should (and of course could) serve tiles in a similar amount as Google Maps does.
But again, this couldn't be the next but maybe the third or fourth step to solve the problem ;)

Thats a good idea, but on the other hand, we want to spread out the word and let users use our map ;) So on the other side we should take the chance to make it easier for using OSM offline and with vectors.

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Hallo Michael. Die Symbole liegen schon als SVG vor, aber danke für deine Engagement ;)
osm.wiki/Map_Icons

Ich denke mal das Mapnik2 aus Sicht der Admins sicherlich noch zu frisch sein wird für den Produktivserver aber du kannst ja mal user:Ldp fragen ob ein Wechsel evtl. geplant ist.

Schöne Sache! Hier in Rostock haben wir das ja wirklich für eine größere Stadt geschafft. Wirst sehen, wenn man erstmal anfängt wird man schon ein wenig "süchtig" ;)

Auch von mir ein Willkommen Malte :)

Vielleicht hilft dir das hier ja noch:
osm.wiki/DE:Beginners_Guide
Oh und wenn du Fragen hast, komm ruhig zu uns ins Forum.

Hey schön schön :) Ich finde die Stammtische auch mit eines der besten Sachen bei OSM.

Grüße aus Rostock

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