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The value is not a new value, mappers are already using it, but it is not yet documented on this wiki. The proposal aims to specify how to map a historic cemetery considering how the tag has been used so far. |
The value is not a new value, mappers are already using it, but it is not yet documented on this wiki. The proposal aims to specify how to map a historic cemetery considering how the tag has been used so far. |
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The scope of application of this proposal is limited to recognisable cemeteries as they are described in OSM: «places usually independent of place of worship» and «not close to a place of worship» |
The scope of application of this proposal is limited to recognisable cemeteries as they are described in OSM: «places usually independent of place of worship» and «not close to a place of worship». See {{Tag|landuse|cemetery}} for more details. |
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To know when a feature (e.g., a cemetery) has historic significance, see {{Key|historic}}. |
To know when a feature (e.g., a cemetery) has historic significance, see {{Key|historic}}. |
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== Rationale == |
== Rationale == |
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As of 8 February 2021 there |
As of 8 February 2021 there were 1609 matches for the combination of tagging {{Tag|landuse|cemetery}} + {{Key|historic}} in Taginfo. {{Tag|historic|cemetery}} has been used 475 times (445 on ways, 22 on nodes and 8 on relations), 405 uses in combination with {{Tag|landuse|cemetery}}, mainly in Europe (notably Poland and Germany). Also in North America (mainly the United States) and Australia. |
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This pattern of use suggests that mappers have used this tag as a complementary tag to {{Tag|landuse|cemetery}} to indicate that this feature is a historic cemetery. |
This pattern of use suggests that mappers have used this tag as a complementary tag to {{Tag|landuse|cemetery}} to indicate that this feature is a historic cemetery. An alternative way for mapping a historic cemetery would be {{Tag|landuse|cemetery}} + {{Tag|historic|yes}}. This tagging has the disadvantage of being unspecific. |
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The {{Tag|historic|yes}} tag only is useful to add an unknown historical value to a given object, not to define the reason why objects have a historical value. Adding a descriptive attribute to the {{Key|historic}} key is not redundant but adds new information. It is a totally different category than simply describing the object as a cemetery. |
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The value in the tag {{Tag|historic||*}} is used to characterise the type of feature (see [[Key:historic#Use|Use]]). This value should be widely recognised and are in common use. The {{Tag|historic|cemetery}} tagging is a better alternative to {{Tag|historic|yes}} in this case. The value {{Value|cemetery}} for a historic cemetery is very recognisable and commonly used in the real world to refer to a cemetery with historic significance. |
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Be included on an authoritative listing of historic sites or a special protected status could be considered as supporting evidence that a cemetery is sufficiently significant. However, being included on an authoritative listing of historic sites is not a mandatory requirement for mapping a historic cemetery in OSM. Factors to consider when tagging a cemetery as {{Tag|historic|cemetery}} are listed in {{Key|historic}}. The inclusion of a historic cemetery in an authoritative listing of historic sites can be indicated using {{Key|heritage}}. |
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Some historic cemeteries continue to operate as cemeteries for new burials. Others may have stopped accepting new burials and are preserved only as a historical site. A cemetery preserved as a historic site remains a cemetery. [[Lifecycle prefix|Life cycle prefixes]] could be used where appropriate. |
Some historic cemeteries continue to operate as cemeteries for new burials. Others may have stopped accepting new burials and are preserved only as a historical site. A cemetery preserved as a historic site remains a cemetery. [[Lifecycle prefix|Life cycle prefixes]] could be used where appropriate. |
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== Tagging == |
== Tagging == |
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It could also be used as relation (issue to be discussed). |
It could also be used as relation (issue to be discussed). |
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== Examples == |
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* A [https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-December/056538.html discussion thread] on the Tagging mailing list about the same feature before this proposal (2020-12-02). |
* A [https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-December/056538.html discussion thread] on the Tagging mailing list about the same feature before this proposal (2020-12-02). |
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* A [https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2021-February/059418.html discussion thread] |
* A [https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2021-February/059418.html discussion thread] on the Tagging mailing list to ask for suggestions for the draft of this proposal (2021-02-09). |
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* [http://www.significantcemeteries.org Association of Significant Cemeteries of Europe] (ASCE), a not-for-profit organisation which care for cemeteries considered to be of historical or artistic importance. The ASCE website includes a [http://www.significantcemeteries.org/p/significant-cemeteries.html map] with more than 150 significant cemeteries across Europe. All these cemeteries are probably candidates to be mapped on OSM as {{Tag|historic|cemetery}} only in Europe. |
* [http://www.significantcemeteries.org Association of Significant Cemeteries of Europe] (ASCE), a not-for-profit organisation which care for cemeteries considered to be of historical or artistic importance. The ASCE website includes a [http://www.significantcemeteries.org/p/significant-cemeteries.html map] with more than 150 significant cemeteries across Europe. All these cemeteries are probably candidates to be mapped on OSM as {{Tag|historic|cemetery}} only in Europe. |
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== Comments == |
== Comments == |
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Please comment on the [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|discussion page]]. |
Please comment on the [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|discussion page]]. |
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Revision as of 19:17, 16 February 2021
| Historic cemetery | |
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| Proposal status: | Draft (under way) |
| Proposed by: | Dcapillae |
| Tagging: | historic=cemetery
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| Applies to: |  
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| Definition: | A cemetery with historic significance. |
| Statistics: |
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| Draft started: | 2021-01-30 |
Proposal
This proposal tries to describe the value cemetery for the key historic=*, a value used to map historic cemeteries with the tag historic=cemetery in combination with landuse=cemetery.
The value is not a new value, mappers are already using it, but it is not yet documented on this wiki. The proposal aims to specify how to map a historic cemetery considering how the tag has been used so far.
The scope of application of this proposal is limited to recognisable cemeteries as they are described in OSM: «places usually independent of place of worship» and «not close to a place of worship». See landuse=cemetery for more details.
To know when a feature (e.g., a cemetery) has historic significance, see historic=*.
Rationale
As of 8 February 2021 there were 1609 matches for the combination of tagging landuse=cemetery + historic=* in Taginfo. historic=cemetery has been used 475 times (445 on ways, 22 on nodes and 8 on relations), 405 uses in combination with landuse=cemetery, mainly in Europe (notably Poland and Germany). Also in North America (mainly the United States) and Australia.
This pattern of use suggests that mappers have used this tag as a complementary tag to landuse=cemetery to indicate that this feature is a historic cemetery. An alternative way for mapping a historic cemetery would be landuse=cemetery + historic=yes. This tagging has the disadvantage of being unspecific.
The historic=yes tag only is useful to add an unknown historical value to a given object, not to define the reason why objects have a historical value. Adding a descriptive attribute to the historic=* key is not redundant but adds new information. It is a totally different category than simply describing the object as a cemetery.
The value in the tag historic=* is used to characterise the type of feature (see Use). This value should be widely recognised and are in common use. The historic=cemetery tagging is a better alternative to historic=yes in this case. The value cemetery for a historic cemetery is very recognisable and commonly used in the real world to refer to a cemetery with historic significance.
Be included on an authoritative listing of historic sites or a special protected status could be considered as supporting evidence that a cemetery is sufficiently significant. However, being included on an authoritative listing of historic sites is not a mandatory requirement for mapping a historic cemetery in OSM. Factors to consider when tagging a cemetery as historic=cemetery are listed in historic=*. The inclusion of a historic cemetery in an authoritative listing of historic sites can be indicated using heritage=*.
Some historic cemeteries continue to operate as cemeteries for new burials. Others may have stopped accepting new burials and are preserved only as a historical site. A cemetery preserved as a historic site remains a cemetery. Life cycle prefixes could be used where appropriate.
Tagging
Only one new tag is proposed. Actually, a value in use but not documented for historic=*:
The database elements where this tag could be used are nodes and areas , the same elements that are used for landuse=cemetery.
It could also be used as relation (issue to be discussed).
Examples
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English Cemetery in Málaga, Spain. See the English Cemetery
English Cemetery on OSM. -
Sleepy Hollow Cemetery in Concord, Massachusetts. See the Sleepy Hollow Cemetery Sleepy Hollow Cemetery on OSM. -
Waverley Cemetery in Sydney, Australia. See the Waverley Cemetery Waverley Cemetery on OSM. -
Powązki Cemetery in Warsaw, Poland. See the Powązki Cemetery Powązki Cemetery on OSM.
Waverley_Cemetery-2.jpg)
Rendering
The rendering for a historic cemetery on the standard tile layer could be the same rendering used for landuse=cemetery but in the colour tone used for historical features.
Features/Pages affected
No features would be affected.
The following pages may need some modification/addiction if this tagging is approved:
landuse=cemetery- Maybe by including a link tohistoric=cemeteryin the "See also" section.historic=*- Addinghistoric=cemeteryto the table of value forhistoric=*.
External discussions
- A discussion thread on the Tagging mailing list about the same feature before this proposal (2020-12-02).
- A discussion thread on the Tagging mailing list to ask for suggestions for the draft of this proposal (2021-02-09).
- Association of Significant Cemeteries of Europe (ASCE), a not-for-profit organisation which care for cemeteries considered to be of historical or artistic importance. The ASCE website includes a map with more than 150 significant cemeteries across Europe. All these cemeteries are probably candidates to be mapped on OSM as
historic=cemeteryonly in Europe.
Comments
Please comment on the discussion page.