Sorry to necro this, but again, you see the new & existing development (Grand Mayfair etc) is currently asymmetric and lopsided: all access must be done via the current `=primary` and `oneway=yes` section. It's obvious both roads have different importance / significance.

But, your point is not without merit. A few years later when the (4? or perhaps more?) residential sites are up and running, then Tung Wui Road will have very strong argument to be `=secondary` by virtue of being "urban lateral". Right now being "rural lateral" just doesn't hit it.

Not really; Kam Ho Road got `=secondary` with precedent (see me trying to demote Old Clear Water Bay Road to `=tertiary` with no success); Kam Sheung Road Station wants strong alternative route to access Route 3.

I think Tung Hui Road is not as important. The new park-and-ride needs the `=primary` section for entrance, and depending on exact destination, exiting might just make sense to go through Kam Tin Bypass or Pat Heung Road.

Actually, also consider e.g. San Tam Road is "only `=tertiary` when Castle Peak Road is `=secondary`"; feels like a good analogy/perspective for this case.

Hi there, do you have more information about "咸魚汁角"?

Actually, looking at recent news, it seems to me the park-and-ride aspect/attractiveness is being diminished:

e.g.

https://news.mingpao.com/pns/%E6%B8%AF%E8%81%9E/article/20250828/s00002/1756317494666/%E6%B8%AF%E9%90%B5%E6%B3%8A%E8%BB%8A%E8%BD%89%E4%B9%98%E5%84%AA%E6%83%A0-%E6%92%A4%E6%97%A5%E6%B3%8A%E5%B0%81%E9%A0%82%E6%94%B6%E8%B2%BB%E8%AE%8A%E7%9B%B8%E5%8A%A0%E5%83%B9-%E9%8C%A6%E4%B8%8A%E8%B7%AF%E7%AB%99%E6%96%B0%E5%81%9C%E8%BB%8A%E5%A0%B4%E6%8C%89%E6%99%82%E8%B2%B43%E5%80%8D

Also, I have no idea whether the Kam Sheung Road park-and-ride is part of KCR's original plans, or something the MTR is actively promoting after their takeover.

I feel like this is increasingly indicating KSR station does not fit (my) existing mental models, and the station might belong to a new category of station that contains only itself: rural stations.

KSR station is built in an area with a lack of any high-density development / any new town development. Quite rural. Other theoretical "rural" stations simply don't exist (e.g. Kwu Tung, Hung Shui Kiu, etc.) or no longer exist (e.g. Tai Po Kau). We might simply have no precedents for this.

In basically every other railway station in HK, the railway station itself doesn't suddenly cause nearby roads to promote towards primary/secondary; the nearby roads *are* already primary/secondary by themselves, regardless of whether the station exists, let alone whether park-and-ride exists.

afaik in rural context, `highway=secondary` must have some sort of cross-district capability (e.g. Kam Tin Road, etc.). I don't see Kam Ho Road has this.

But, we might in another occasion consider promoting Kam Ho Road separately with justification as "Grand Mayfair wants access to Route 3", just as how some time ago Sai Sha Road got partial-promoted to `highway=primary` with justification "Sierra Sea et-al is big & has improved road works".

See "Big Three of Shatin" (Tai Wai, Sha Tin and Fo Tan) all only has `highway=tertiary` to connect to them. There are more similar examples.

CPR (Ko Po - Ngau Tam Mei) tends to use Yuen Long Station instead. (See KMB 76K, and the many minibus routes.) Northern Link (construction is starting) is reducing importance of KSR station in terms of actual passenger in-out count via KSR station; would go in/out at Northern Link stations instead.

I understand Pat Heung Road gets `=secondary` because it needs to connect with Kam Sheung Road, which is itself uncontested `=secondary`.

imo this is OK-convincing but not ultra convincing, but perhaps @Kovoschiz may have something to say?

Actually, upon further review, it turns out Kam Ho Road also has share_taxi=no.

So, seeing Tung Hui Road has `=tertiary`, I think it's reasonable to expect Kam Ho Road to also have `=tertiary`. No actions will be taken.

Good to know.

With the share_taxi situation, I am inclined to just make Kam Ho Road `=secondary` from Kam TIn Bypass to Pat Heung Road and finish.

It seems you took the wrong Northern Loop plan and made it "under construction".

Improved via changeset/172862499

Indeed, I can't remember what I was thinking, but having a turn restriction with no associated paths is definitely strange.

Hi there, the irl signage is "no u-turn", and the meaning is "straight on to the refuse collection point entrance only".

irl there is a (I think always closed) roller shutter that acts as the "back door" of the refuse collection point located here.

The problem is "always closed".

I don't think OSM cares about shop entrances, but maybe I just don't know enough.

If people care enough then they can just look at this changeset and know this new node replaces 2 previous nodes. There is no unified history to speak of when features are erroneously duplicated.

My apologies for the "original research" accusation. Being unable to locate all the 4 related exist irl has made me very suspicious of the situation, and it turns out there are official documents backing up the previous observation.

The current MTR copy of the railway protection boundaries agrees with the Building Department's copy

https://www.mtr.com.hk/archive/corporate/en/operations/ISL_RPAP/Mtr_Ap_59.pdf

Turn curves would be style choices.

There was mismatch, as in "these bus bays from satellite imagery don't even exist in OSM data".

The following was considered:

- old paths did not fully represent "new path shape"; can't just flip them
- afaik all concrete covers were demolished; Theseus' Ship
- no absolute requirement to maintain path history, and sometimes it's just impossible (e.g. point bus terminus -> area bus terminus, an improvement but "loses history")
- all bus routes are reassigned new platforms; "keeping history" doesn't see data maintenance convenience
- these will eventually be fully demolished by phase anyway, as irl construction further progresses

As such, it was decided to fully redraw everything.

Hi there, do you have more information about the Quarry Bay B1, B2, B3 and B4 exits? These information seems like original research, and cannot be submitted to OSM.