Thanks for the edits. Please be careful when using satellite imagery. Most of the tracks and trails in this area have been aligned to the Strava Global Heatmap. Tracks may show up in imagery even though they are no longer passible due to closing by the FS or natural causes. In particular you rerouted the southern end of way/1076874827 when I had aligned it to Strava (I have also actually been on this trail).

Any response to my earlier comment? You seem to make a lot of "guesses" when editing, and I don't think you have ever responded to a changeset comment.

dams should be tagged as waterway=dam per the wiki

Hi, regarding "I did not see any source of water at the trailhead" there was water at the TH the last time I ran this trail a couple of years go.

@kechan Thanks for the congrats, and thanks for all of the trail edits in OSM. I have been focusing on improving the trail data in OSM for Colorado and S. Wyoming, and it is good to have some others doing the same.

Time seems to have confirmed that CragMapper was correct. I am putting Stone Temple Circuit back to the way they had it.

Lots of private things are mapped in OSM, such as homes, driveways, and tracks on private farms and ranches.

Thanks for the edits. Regarding Lumpy Ridge Road and associated features, I would be careful about adjusting long existing features to imagery. Locals have generally used a combination of a variety of sources, including imagery, GPX traces, and the Strava Global Heatmap to ensure spatial accuracy.

Thanks for the reply.
1) Explaining that in your changeset comments would be helpful.
2) I am still not sure that is legit, but I am going to ask others in the community

we are not allowed to use "proprietary" sources to add data to OSM

Hi, Thanks for all of the great edits to the trails around Fraser/Winter Park! I presume you are a fellow mountain biker? If I could offer some feedback: I wouldn't assume that when a trail crosses a waterway that the junction is necessarily a ford. In this case, there is a bridge at this location.

Perhaps we will meet out on the trails sometime.

Mike

Thanks, that is very helpful! I might add a note to the feature with that link.

Ok, that makes sense. Safety. They don't want folks getting in the way and endangering themselves and the crew while trees are being cut. Looking forward to the new/reopened trail.

Rather unusual situation. Foot travel on social trails is not prohibited per se, and there are a lot of social trails in the NF (without traveling off official trails how could anyone hunt in the NF, or access many of the peaks to which there are no trails). It may be frowned upon, or discouraged, but not illegal. However, if you have actually seen the official signs at the location saying that travel here is illegal, then "access=no" is appropriate.

Are these trails actually posted as being off limits? Generally in the US National Forest, foot travel is allowed off official trails. I think the same applies to travel by horse. On the other hand, mechanized travel, including by bicycle, is usually restricted to official roads and trails.

Please refrain from "simplifying" the trails in Colorado. Many of these trails have been precisely aligned to the Strava Global Heatmap, differential GPS, and other highly accurate sources. A lot of work has gone into this effort. Please do not undo that effort.

Thanks for your reply, and again for your contributions to OSM! Good to hear that you have actually ridden these trails. I have encountered a number of users who swoop in and start "fixing" things, when they have no idea what is actually on the ground because they have never been to the location. Incidentally, the intersection does not have to be handled in order to save the changes, it is just a warning, if you don't know for sure what the situation is on the ground, it is best to leave the warning for someone else to investigate. -Mike

Just want to say "thanks" for all of the edits to the trails in this area! I am headed to this area to mountain bike next week and your work will really help out in selecting trails and navigating.

Also, are you sure that all of the nodes you tagged as ford=yes are really fords and not culverts or bridges? I have ridden most of these trails, and I have seldom seen fords. More often then not where there is a waterway/trail crossing in this area there is a bridge or culvert.

Thanks for your edits. Most of the trails in this area have been aligned to the Strava Global Heatmap (hence the source:geometry=Strava Global Heatmap), including the Death Crotch Trail. This is much more accurate than individual GPX traces, or satellite imagery. I recommend checking the history of an object and all of its tags before editing.