Import user should be ke9tv, NOT keytv-NYSDEC-import

The forward direction of Navarre Avenue is westbound, and you placed a bicycle lane on the left (south) side. That appears to match your intention.

I don't know the situation on the ground, but in the aerials I have, it looks as if there are bike lanes on both sides starting just east of the viaduct?

You didn't break the SR 2 relation. (It's broken elsewhere, and I'll let the locals deal with it where it's broken.)

Nothing heard from the person who made the change in over a week. I'll presume that silence is assent, and revert the tagging.

I see that you have removed boundary=national_park from the Catskill Park, causing it to disappear from the rendering on the main map.

Let me please refer you to boundary=national_park - where a formal definition is given of the tag:

A national park is a relatively large area of land declared by a government (just as boundary=administrative are declared/recognised by governments), to be set aside for human recreation and enjoyment, as well as the protection of the natural environment and/or cultural heritage of an area.

It is not limited to National Parks. In fact, it includes a specific note:

Additionally in the USA, because the fifty state governments are as sovereign as the federal government, some states (notably New York) tag boundary=national_park on state land with "equivalent or better" resource protection.

That is surely true of the Forest Preserve, for which any protection changes require an amendment to the State Constitution - and in fact, a few years ago, there was a discussion on the 'tagging' mailing list that established a fairly broad consensus (there's never 100% agreement) that national_park was indeed the best tag for the job.

protected_area is a better fit for the individual state lands within the Catskill Park - and indeed is tagged on them.

Could I trouble you either to revert the change or to reopen the discussion on the mailing list? (I'd prefer not to revert it myself, never wishing to fire the first shot in an edit war.)

I only just recently noticed this changeset - I'm only active on OSM somewhat sporadically,

I think the route relations got damaged by this change. The Erie Canalway trail (Albany-Buffalo) appears to have been conflated with the Genesee Valley Greenway. I can assure you that the Mohawk-Hudson Bike Path in Albany and Schenectady Counties is nowhere near the Genesee Valley!

Since I don't know Rochester well, I'm not in a good position to fix it. Could I trouble you to have another look and figure out where the relations or names went astray?

I'll be happy to help fix if you have trouble with the data model - but I simply don't know what the situation in your part of the world should be.

Oops - sorry, the link to the previous relation was a copy-n-paste error, it should be relation/175474

This changeset, and those around it, is obviously an import, since I cannot imagine that hand edits would produce odd slivers in the boundaries like what is seen in relation/7433806#map=15/41.3799/-74.0063 - could I trouble you to tidy those?

Could I also ask you to share with the 'imports' mailing list the data set you were using for the import?

Could I further ask you to review conflation? The relation that had previously represented the military reservation was produced by many hours of work, conflating the records of the Federal goverment, two offices of the State government, the tax rolls of three counties, and the plats of several private conservancies to arrive at a consensus alignment. It was intentionally created with shared ways along all the borders, because we know, for instance, that the northern margin of West Point Military Reservation is coterminous with the southern margin of the Black Rock Forest. This change appears to be attempting to undo all that work in favour of a single, unknown, imported data source.

Is there a reason to believe that whatever you were importing is more reliable than what was already there? If so, that's entirely acceptable, but please correct the alignments of County Roads 9 and 34, the Black Rock Forest, Storm King, Bear Mountain and Harriman State Parks, the village of Highand Falls, Sacred Heart Cemetery, and the golf course in Woodbury, and restore shared boundaries so that further edits will maintain consistency. Note that the rights-of-way of the county roads that I mention, and the lands to the west, are not part of the reservation, so either the property line or the alignment of the highway is wrong.

Also could you please restore the cutouts for the state-owned rights-of-way of US 6, NY 218, NY 293, and the Storm King Highway, and the county-owned rights-of-way of Mine Road and Mountain Avenue?

The cutouts for Round Pond and Mine Lake, which incidentally do not align with the shoreline, are puzzling. These waterbodies are unquestionably on the reservation. There are also some peculiar cutouts near the south end of Popolopen Lake. I do not believe that anyone but the US military has an inholding there.

There also appear to be conflation problems on the Hudson River side. While I could believe that the property extends some distance beyond the tidal line, I'm reasonably certain that, except for the tunnel under The Plain, it does not encompass the railroad right-of-way. Nor is the foot of Ernst Road outside the reservation.

It does appear that the previous relation, relation/7433806#map=15/41.3799/-74.0063, is still present, indicated chiefly as 'boundary=census". One possible approach, if you are willing, would be to transfer tags from relation/7433806 onto it, and then hand-edit whatever changes are needed to the boundaries - hopefully being diligent about comparing the various sources, which, as is typical for government records, do not entirely agree.

Moving forward, could I also beg you to put comments on your changesets, so that people reviewing them can see what you were trying to accomplish? I actually have no idea what this changeset was trying to do, so I have no guidance for how to fix the problems myself.

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner on this, but I only just noticed this change, since I happened to be producing a trail map for a friend and saw all the misalignments. This area isn't really my 'stomping ground', although I do hike down there occasionally.

ok, thanks, must have been going blind after the number of chdr reviews this week.

oops. source should have been TIGER 2017, not 'local knowledge'

Thanks, Russ! I just noticed that cluster of misfeatures on my map (build from data a month or two old), went here and found you fixed it already.

Oops: NOT AN IMPORT. Mistakenly had 'ke9tv-nysdec-lands' in JOSM when I uploaded.

Oops: NOT AN IMPORT. Mistakenly had 'ke9tv-nysdec-lands' in JOSM when I uploaded.

Oops: NOT AN IMPORT. Mistakenly had 'ke9tv-nysdec-lands' in JOSM when I uploaded.

Oops: NOT AN IMPORT. Mistakenly had 'ke9tv-nysdec-lands' in JOSM when I uploaded.

Oops: NOT AN IMPORT. Mistakenly had 'ke9tv-nysdec-lands' in JOSM when I uploaded.

Oops: NOT AN IMPORT. Mistakenly had 'ke9tv-nysdec-lands' in JOSM when I uploaded.

Oops: NOT AN IMPORT. Mistakenly had 'ke9tv-nysdec-lands' in JOSM when I uploaded.

Oops. NOT AN IMPORT: mistakenly had the import user ID in JOSM when I uploaded.

Nope, that was a goof. Should be fixed now.

Oops.

I did that one manually. I saw that the parking field aligned *almost* exactly to the parcel, and conflated the two. I missed copying-and-pasting the 'surface' tags. (I can also recall being a little confused, because there's nothing there in the aerial photos that resembles a parking lot, just the corner of a plowed field.

Having the protected_area together with the parking field doesn't introduce a conflict, so I undid the conflation.