Hi Andreea, I've just reverted this changeset with changeset/81981330 because it seems you accidentally moved a section of 64th St down to 68th street.

J

Thanks, and if you don't mind, I'd like to move some of the items back to thier original location. It's not hard to do as long as nobody else has moved them around in the mean time.

Regarding the aerial imagery, it looks like my info's out of date. Earlier this year I checked the Bing imagery and it was several years old, but it's recently been updated and seems to be from last summer. So Bing is now the most current in NYC. The alignment's not great but I've realigned it using an offset of 0.86,-1.38 and that seems to work pretty well, at least in Brooklyn. Unknown at this point if it drifts around in other parts of the city.

(The NYS Orthos is still valuable because the alignment's close to perfect -- close enough that I don't bother trying to tweak it -- and because it was shot in the winter so has much less tree cover. The Mapbox imagery's still useful too, especially for seeing details on taller buildings.)

Hi RangerMankin, welcome to OSM! I'm Brooklyn-based myself and it's always great to see a new mapper in the hood.

In this changeset you've made slight adjustments to a lot of building footprints. My advice is to do this with caution. The footprints were all imported from the NYC dept of buildings database and though they're not perfect, they are in general pretty good. If you see a lot of imported buildings that are slightly offset from the aerial imagery in the same direction, it's much more likely that the imagery you're using is misaligned, rather than that the city mismeasured all of those buildings.

The best-aligned aerial imagery in the NYC area is the "NYS Orthos Online" which is published by New York State. If you switch to this layer you'll probably see that most of the building footprints match the aerial photos pretty well. (Note that the footprints sometimes don't include overhangs and awnings.)

The ESRI World Imagery layer is also useful -- it's actually the same imagery as the NYS Orthos with better resolution. But the alignment is a little off, and even varies a bit between zoom levels.

The most up-to-date imagery currently is the MapBox Satellite, but it's misaligned pretty severely. It's also taken at an angle so the tops of buildings are displaced from the footprints, especially taller ones.

Let me know if you have any questions about the map, happy to help.

Jason

Here's another one where you've added a service road right through the front door of a building.

Your productivity is impressive but perhaps consider doing these a little more slowly and carefully.

Thanks, J

Thanks for the quick reply TravGW -- I'm happy to hear you did check these manually. But I'd appreciate if you attempted to contact the users in question first, at least those who seem legit. I know that sorting out who's a real mapper with a penchant for adspeak and who's just an SEO bot is hard work. I know because I've done a lot description tag cleanup myself. But it hurts the community to undo the work of real mappers without any communication.

At first glance I think the vast majority of the changes are for the better. But there are definitely some descriptions you've removed that were written in good faith. Some of these might benefit from a less spammy rewording. Maybe some of them really should be deleted, good faith notwithstanding! But if they were added by real people, an attempt at communicating with those people is better than a mass tag deletion.

Thanks, J

This was an attempt to revert a poorly-researched mass edit changeset (81752271) which overzealously attempted to remove spammy description tags.

In fact it appears I only reverted 28 of the 1045 nodes affected by changeset/81752271. And it's highly likely that most/all of these WERE spam descriptions. (Much easier to spot-check 28 descriptions than 1045.)

I'm leaving these alone for now to avoid further muddling, but if anyone feels like reverting THIS changeset be my guest... because in actuality I just added a lot of spam to the map.

J

Hi TravGW -- please don't perform these continent-sized mass edits. They are very difficult for both humans and software to process.

I consider your motive, reducing description tag spam, to be a good one, but this is not a good way to go about it.
Some mappers I'm familiar with from my area (NYC) like to use wordy descriptions. That doesn't equal advertisement.

I don't know what criteria you used to select these description tags for deletion, but I suspect it's just based on field length without any attempt to examine or communicate with the users in question.

I attempted to revert this changeset with changeset/81755045 but failed -- possibly there are too many changes for the JOSM reverter plugin to handle. All the more reason to use smaller changesets, both geographically and in number of edits.

Thanks, Jason

Hi Robert -- you've been adding a lot of service roads in NYC and, and thanks for that, it's a lot of good work. But I'm also seeing a lot of changesets like this where you're distorting the roads you're connecting to.

I've been trying to fix these when I notice them but lately it's looking like I can't keep up.

See https://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=81716983 and zoom into Crawford Ave for a example of what I've been seeing and fixing.

Thanks, Jason

Hi Laida42, thanks for adding this. Does Chilis on Wheels serve ready-to-eat meals, or is it more of a way to get free packaged food?

If the main thing is free meals, it's probably better to tag it social_facility=soup_kitchen rather than social_facility=food_bank.

J

Hi OneC -- can you describe what you're doing in this changeset? It looks like you just added new nodes to existing streets without changing geometry or tagging.

Thanks, jmapb

Of course, sometimes buildings do get demolished and new ones put in their place! When possible we try to keep the buildings tagged with the DOB info but sometimes the data's not available.

Next question: Does Perfect Furniture and Lighting occupy the entire building? If not, it's usually better to just map it as a single node (point) inside the building, like you did for this restaurant: node/7212724466

It looks like you removed the building at the corner of 9th Ave and 60th St and replaced it with two smaller builings:
way/772458088
way/772458091

Are these actually new buildings occupying the space where the larger building used to be? I don't see any indication from the department of buildings that this building has been replaced with two smaller ones, but sometimes this DOB data lags behind actual construction.

Hi liulanzheng, welcome to OpenStreetMap and thanks for your additions!

You've selected the "review requested" feature on these changes, and I do have some questions and comments, if you'd like to discuss.

Thanks, jmapb

I love it -- bon appétit!

Gotcha -- Some people are starting to use the amenity=music_venue tag. Unlike a bar, a music venue supposedly won't be open for business unless there's a show, like a theater. But amenity=music_venue isn't rendered yet so I tend to use bar/theatre/nightclub, and sometimes it's a close call which of these is best.

Anyway, I see you've already taken care of the Berlin clone, thanks!

Howdy RC... someone just added a minimally-tagged nightclub named "Berlin" in this same location ( node/7199447385 ) and my gut tells me it's the same place, but since I haven't been there myself I figured I'd ask -- I don't suppose "Berlin Under A" is actually under "Berlin" or something silly like that?

Mea cupla! Fixed.

Hi Radeke, welcome to OpenStreetMap!

"Edge" is the name of the observation deck at Hudson Yards, not the name for the entire shopping mall. I've changed this building back to the old name (changeset/80817929.)

Let me know if you have any questions about mapping, happy to help.

J

Reverted as part of changeset/80817929

Neat -- this reminded me to add this eagle from Grand Central ( node/7201831255 ) in case you're ever hunting them. I can't find anywhere if these were also by Weinman.