@UNGSC-DTLM-Ale_Zena:

As Yury says, he/she should receive an email after getting a CS comment or personal message. That is independent of which editor software has been used.

If a mapper adds wrong data into the OSM database and does not reply to changeset comments after a little waiting time you can contact the DWG (Data Working Group) of the OSMF (osm.wiki/Data_working_group). They will then try to get in touch with the mapper and / or block the account if not successful.

In order to make possible reverts easier you should not change the applicable objects as that would lead to conflicts while reverting.

This is just spam and already reported.

@page_5: You can report things like this using the applicable “report” button.

Also ich habe mit Jitsi kein Problem auf Firefox. Die anfänglichen Probleme sind anscheinend gefixt, was aber offensichtlich einige Leute nicht mitbekommen. Was das mit OSM zu tun hat, erschliesst sich mir nicht.

Well, the information you are talking about is confidential and not meant to be accessable to the public. I do not understand your motivation for this blog post to be honest. If you find such information in OSM as someone added it somewhere it has to be removed by the DWG (revert is not sufficient) and the mapper has to be informed accordingly. Should you know of any such occurence, just let me know and I will address it.

I would like to confirm what @Dzertanoj pointed out. Security related infos are not mapped and “real” pilots use the officially certified sources for navigation. Have a good one!

Hello!

I’d say (from a perspective of someone doing QA from time to time) the size of the CS is not so relevant.

I rather prefer CSs that stay local and don’t spread across half the globe. Also I would consider putting different topics into different CSs, e.g. addresses, POIs, buildings etc. And of course good CS comments help a lot to understand the mappers intention.

And I would rather use JOSM instead of iD ;-)

Hello jkirk!

Without knowing railway:lanes a few thoughts:

• Blog entries are not the right place to discuss this, because only a few people read them. More useful here would be the forum, or as it’s about tagging, the tagging mailing list.

• A Wiki article is not a prerequisite for the validity of a tag

• The tag is not only used in Graz (https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=railway%3Alanes)

• Such an approach should definitely be discussed with the local community.

Hallo jkirk!

Ohne mich mit railway:lanes auszukennen ein paar Gedanken:

• Blog Einträge sind nicht der passende Ort, dies zu diskutieren, da sie nur von wenigen Leuten gelesen werden. Sinnvoller wäre hier das Forum, oder da es um Tagging geht, die Tagging Mailing Liste.

• Ein Wiki Artikel ist keine Voraussetzung für die Validität eines Tags

• Das Tag wird nicht nur in Graz verwendet (https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=railway%3Alanes)

• Ein solches Vorgehen sollte unbedingt mit der lokalen Community abgesprochen werden.

Check done, no signs of lines.

Not visible here though… I will check on a different computer tomorrow.

Blog entries are not really the best place for discussing tagging issues. Also edit-wars are not acceptable. The DWG should be contacted only after discussion within the local community leads to no result.

You guys should seek advice on

https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=20

or

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

or

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

And: behave like adults. The wiki gives info on how to tag highways in general (highway=*), local differences (osm.wiki/Highway:International_equivalence) and the US (osm.wiki/United_States_roads_tagging (please observe to note on top of this)).

All this together should facilitate a solution.

Moin und willkommen bei OSM!

Die Blogfunktion ist für solche Dinge unpassend.

Wenn es um Abstimmung mit der Community geht (die bei größeren Umtagging-Aktionen tatsächlich notwendig ist), solltest Du am besten das deutsche Forum https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=14 oder die deutsche Mailingliste https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de verwenden. Das Forum kannst Du durchsuchen und Dich auch mit Deinem OSM Account einloggen, um einen Beitrag zu verfassen.

Viele Grüße!

FYI: This account was blocked due to vandalism. It is also a sock puppet account of another user, which was also blocked for the same reason.

Zur Info: Dieser Account wurde aufgrund von Vandalismus geblockt. Außerdem handelt es sich um einen Sockenpuppen-Account eines anderen Users, der ebenfalls aus dem gleichen Grund geblockt wurde.

Ansonsten finde ich lyx’s Anregung lobenswert und @uli0815: bitte einmal ausgiebig drüber nachdenken…

Good morning!

A little off topic: what came to my mind when looking at the map was the naming of different parts of the college. As we tend use name=* for the name only in OSM, I would not use name=(unnamed) but rather not tag it at all. As for the parkings I would also just use e.g. name=Terrace 4, as amenity=parking already says what it is.

Other than that: beautiful work :-)

As an example this CS has multiple sources: changeset/71824348

I am not adding source=* to any object, except in unclear situations.

My understanding is that adding the source to the changeset, which is possible in most modern editors, is totally sufficient. You can also use multiple sources in a CS.

According to the wiki “With modern editors, the source=* tag is typically added to the changeset when a change is made, not as a tag on a piece of information which may be updated at different times based on different sources.”

Historically as far as I know, adding the source to the CS was technically not featured in the early days of OSM, therefore it was added to the object itself.

Hello all!

To be honest I did probably not follow every single thread in all the mailing lists and / or forums, so bear with me if my view on this issue might look a little naive.

I have the same feeling as Vincent de Phily that two different issues are thrown into one pot and instead need to be differentiated.

My personal view on things is by far not as “alarming” as this blog post:

When it comes to the tone in which discussions are held on internet forums or mailing lists in general, I have come across far worse places than OSM. Most posts in the OSM world tend to be focused on solving an actual issue or passing information, whereas in many other places outside of OSM they drift off, with people insulting each other after a couple of posts.

Being rude to each other has nothing to do with gender. Some people are simply not able discuss things in a friendly way, especially online, as written information is different from meeting someone in person. Written information is prone to misunderstandings and of course the threshold is lower, when it comes to drifting off towards a bad tone.

Discussing issues and working in a team, even if it is a large online “team” like OSM, needs training. Everyone can work on his / her own behaviour by challenging his or her actions. Changing perspectives from time to time also helps in understanding the other person.

A Code of Conduct is no solution for the given problem.

The second point which is being discussed here is gender and inclusion. Personally, I do not care at all if the person I am dealing with on OSM is male, female or regards his- / herself in a state somewhere in between. Especially when looking at OSM member profiles, most of them don’t even give a hint on the possible gender.

I am aware that in many countries and societies gender equality is far from being reality. Even in Germany, where I live, there is not always equal pay and theory differs from the actual situation in many places. But that is a problem of the society someone is living in and how people are socialized in that society. It is not a problem of OSM which needs higher attention than other problems.

Currently the above two issues are being “pushed up” in priority in a way that in my eyes does not resemble reality for most of the OSM world. Keep in mind: repeating information over and over does not make it more true. That applies to every information.

A little excursion to what I have experienced when trying to interest people of non-male gender in editing for OSM: most find the project interesting, but are either not willing to invest time or are simply not interested in technical things. The latter is the case with many jobs as well. There are no gender specific hurdles (at least in Germany) when it comes to choosing a technical profession. Still, the percentage of women in many classical male dominated jobs is lower. I am not saying that this is all caused by women not being interested in technical jobs, but it certainly contributes to it and OSM is facing the same dynamics. That way we end up being an almost all male OSM group in my city. I took my wife to one of our monthly meetings and asked her how she found it. She’s not interested in taking part in OSM but confirmed a nice atmosphere afterwards. I invite all new mappers in the area without even knowing their gender to show up at the monthly meetings, in order to learn more about OSM and meet some people, but it is all males showing up. Just my 2 cents…

How did “bridge:ref” get into the wiki…? The article seems to be well established.

I have never tagged a bridge reference, and have no idea about the proper usage of the tag, but coming across your blog entry I found it interesting that both keys seem to be popular and only one of them has a wiki article.

@SK53 do you know what caused this discrepancy?

Als Erdgasfahrer stoße ich auch immer wieder auf Leute, denen die Unterschiede gar nicht klar sind. Die kennen nur “Gastankstelle”.

Bei CNG ist die Lage bei den Anschlüssen recht klar, da variiert höchstens einmal die Form des Griffes.

Schönen Tag Euch!

Hello Muralidhar!

Everybody is aware of the work that your mappers are putting into the project (especially in these strange political times), but I would also like to add a recommendation. Please make sure you establish some kind of quality assurance, as in many cases there is a lot of unusable data being put into the OSM database by some mappers caused (most probably) from fingertrouble or rushed uploading. Also it is important to somewhat stick to the OSM Wiki and use the established tags. Many changesets have been commented on, with not much reply from the mapper. Just some examples:

changeset/39376307 changeset/39367771 changeset/39348040

The mappers seem to use JOSM, which usually saves you from uploading strange things in many cases, but of course these validator messages have to receive a quick look and not be easily discarded…

Happy mapping!